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calling all beings y'all

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oh man

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that was great man that was great to get

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in a workout man because that's what you

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got to do when you're coming on with

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this guest because this man know him way

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around the weight room

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so welcome back to calling all beings

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i'm your host dj along with my co-host

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the brilliant the sexy and the man who

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looked like rocky today

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money man nathan what's up nathan what's

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up dj

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hey man one love and give it up to

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associate producer and new member of the

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team party people put some of those

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i said yes

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all right defense rocky look it is man

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nathan

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hugging eggs along with your workout

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yeah i've got that right over here

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this is what rocky would look like if he

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was an intellectual and had done as much

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study still going hey i got two turtles

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here name is cuff and link you know what

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i mean i don't know what do turtles

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think about it yo adrian but anyway

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all right let's bring in uh our very

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special guest we've been chasing this

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man for months nathan months months

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years

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more difficult to get on than james earl

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carter jr the president of the united

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states in 1976 damn

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so but i tell you what without further

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ado

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let's bring in

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the hudson valley's own

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new york's own

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engaging the phenomenon's own this

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brother got the meta perspective

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put your hands together for james young

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dooley

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james i and doley people here in my

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hometown

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right across from linda zimmerman

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yes true true

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yes man if he swam across he'd be like

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yo linda throw me a towel

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[Laughter]

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and i'm gonna do it this summer by the

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way i'm gonna swim from linda's side to

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your side it's gonna happen again

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so again oh man again i did it last

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summer and i did it the summer before

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all right

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uh james man welcome to the show brother

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thanks for having me i you know

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fortunately i was able to make it here

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for that panel so i've been here before

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that's right

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in fact james may be our only returning

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guest so far yeah if you think of it

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that way

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well andy andy's been on a couple of

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times um i don't remember that i don't

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i'll tell you what man

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no it's super exciting we needed more

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bandwidth james and uh you know quite

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frankly first of all we've been trying

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to get you on even before i heard your

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story because um nathan gave me his top

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five uh the week that we said okay we're

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officially collaborating and we're gonna

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be a show

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i said you know what's your top five and

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you were on there exo academia was on

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there i wanna say signal was on there i

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think so yeah but i don't remember who

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the other two were but you were on there

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yeah james what's your top five buddy

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yes yeah that is so i said in all of ufo

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twitter anybody that you could have on

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because i'll ask anybody to be on the

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show i don't care who it is

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and and james knows that so

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uh so so you were you know you were top

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five and it's an honor to speak with you

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and i'm glad we're gonna have a little

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bit more time at but the point i was

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getting out was after hearing of your

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personal experiences i was pretty blown

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uh and it's just it was really deep and

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i hope that um you'd be willing to

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revisit that today for us

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yeah sure i can um you know yeah for for

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many years i really didn't even talk

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result of that contact how would you

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experience where i don't title myself an

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it does so happen that you you know one

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psychedelic experience right

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are they experiencers or are we just

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but i believe it came out around that

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time because they didn't want to use the

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and maybe this is just one division

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among many but it's those who seek

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whatever they're sort of thrust onto the

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it but it's almost as if the line

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incredibly blurred and it's hard to tell

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the difference between the two it's not

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i'm going to have somebody come on

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they're going to share their story

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profound contact experience in broad

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daylight which

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a pretty traumatic impact so

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or somebody like let me draw a parallel

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let me draw a parallel

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so for or

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a juxtaposition for me i saw something

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what this what this was at sunday night

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didn't it didn't come close to me it

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somebody else there's actually you have

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time to actually

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look at it and go oh my god like what

289
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does this mean

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that's actually yeah that's a great

291
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conversation actually you guys could do

292
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a whole podcast on that

293
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um

294
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basically doing uh close encounters

295
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versus experiencers

296
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uh because again you know if somebody an

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experiencer because they have regular

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experiences

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um i think more people would categorize

300
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that as accurate as as somebody who has

301
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repeated experiences whether invited or

302
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not invited and again at some point that

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line does blur

304
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just as an example with

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uh ce5 right if somebody starts doing

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ce5s and they're really into it and

307
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they're doing

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uh you know a few ce5s a week there

309
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there comes a point where you could just

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not be doing any c5s and you're just

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having interactions as well so that does

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occur

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so

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um

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do you know of any folks in in the c5

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community who have been trying uh to

317
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have an experience for for some time and

318
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and haven't been able to have one

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through the ce5

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so i know there there are people that

321
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have a harder time

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um and

323
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again

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you know

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there's no actual

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uh like scientific studies on on that

327
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and and again

328
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studies for other

329
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things i mean

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that i think that kind of

331
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like

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we can speculate on that but the actual

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understanding i think we're far

334
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away from on a scientific level right

335
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just because you know we at

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we can speculate and i actually now

337
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there's some good science being done

338
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behind the scenes but as to why some

339
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people are good remote viewers or not um

340
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you know they're actually now in this

341
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day and age there is i think some

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science being done on that

343
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um

344
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but

345
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you know again even 10 years ago

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you know you couldn't

347
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you couldn't

348
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un explain as to why that might be other

349
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than pure speculation

350
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um and but if i were to speculate i

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would say

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mental conditioning belief systems um

353
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and kind of the

354
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quality of your intention the quality of

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kind of

356
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how seriously you're taking it the

357
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reasoning you're you're trying to do it

358
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um and if you're really putting effort

359
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in you know uh if you're if you're

360
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somebody who's

361
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most of the case if somebody's really

362
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serious about it and they're going out a

363
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few times a week trying to do it

364
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for several weeks even a month or two

365
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it's going to happen i think like 90

366
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percent of the time

367
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that that high wow that's a very high

368
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rate of success i would say well well no

369
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i mean like 90 percent of the time it's

370
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it's going to eventually occur

371
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not not that it's going to occur 90 of

372
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the time got you just for clarity um if

373
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god no i i was trying to be really

374
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broad and just say like when i think of

375
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music i think of

376
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what is the purpose of

377
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as an artist

378
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if you're producing music what is what

379
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is your goal and ultimately your goal if

380
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you look at it from a 30 000 foot view

381
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is to move emotion

382
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if you're successful in your performance

383
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particularly a live performance is to

384
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move emotion among the audience whatever

385
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that type that genre of music is is to

386
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move so for a metal head sometimes it's

387
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you know it's aggression right but for

388
00:14:49,910 --> 00:14:48,480
uh other forms of music it it it's a

389
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different the beatles it was an

390
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excitement it was a wow and so i think

391
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of uh the difference between a sighting

392
00:14:59,990 --> 00:14:57,440
and exp an experience is oh i saw

393
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something and then an experiencer is

394
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someone like oh my god i saw something

395
00:15:07,509 --> 00:15:05,920
and i'm gonna start

396
00:15:09,750 --> 00:15:07,519
looking at my life

397
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and and thinking about what just

398
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happened and it becoming a big deal like

399
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that didn't happen with me but there's a

400
00:15:19,509 --> 00:15:16,399
lot of my friends here from ufo twitter

401
00:15:21,910 --> 00:15:19,519
uh that it has happened with and so okay

402
00:15:23,509 --> 00:15:21,920
we don't have uh deb backstage we have

403
00:15:26,470 --> 00:15:23,519
somebody on to actually ask you a

404
00:15:29,350 --> 00:15:26,480
question about ce5 uh and her name is

405
00:15:32,150 --> 00:15:29,360
deb and she is at a study of ufos and

406
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uaps but we'll we'll get back to her so

407
00:15:36,629 --> 00:15:34,240
we'll just continue on with uh with the

408
00:15:38,550 --> 00:15:36,639
beatings that nathan and i have for you

409
00:15:40,790 --> 00:15:38,560
uh the meetings i was gonna say you're

410
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you're talking about uh you're trying to

411
00:15:46,470 --> 00:15:42,320
go abroad you're probably looking at my

412
00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,150
james there it is baby

413
00:15:53,590 --> 00:15:51,749
why don't you have some sort of

414
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weightlifting equipment in your hand

415
00:15:57,030 --> 00:15:54,720
right now

416
00:16:00,790 --> 00:15:57,040
all right go ahead

417
00:16:08,310 --> 00:16:03,749
the but what what year was your signing

418
00:16:10,389 --> 00:16:08,320
uh it was about 82. so whatever

419
00:16:12,310 --> 00:16:10,399
yeah it was the very beginning of the

420
00:16:13,829 --> 00:16:12,320
hudson valley ufo wave which is

421
00:16:15,749 --> 00:16:13,839
spectacular

422
00:16:18,150 --> 00:16:15,759
um and i think

423
00:16:19,990 --> 00:16:18,160
i know lenders linda zimmerman has done

424
00:16:21,990 --> 00:16:20,000
the tremendous work on it but i think

425
00:16:23,990 --> 00:16:22,000
it's an underappreciated

426
00:16:25,350 --> 00:16:24,000
i mean you know what actually now that i

427
00:16:26,949 --> 00:16:25,360
think about it even

428
00:16:29,990 --> 00:16:26,959
like

429
00:16:31,990 --> 00:16:30,000
there's so much new stuff going on

430
00:16:33,590 --> 00:16:32,000
that it's it's you know a lot of that

431
00:16:34,949 --> 00:16:33,600
stuff like even the phoenix lights i

432
00:16:37,350 --> 00:16:34,959
don't hear about that much anymore and

433
00:16:38,150 --> 00:16:37,360
it's like earth shattering right you

434
00:16:39,910 --> 00:16:38,160
know

435
00:16:40,790 --> 00:16:39,920
kind of mass sighting

436
00:16:43,829 --> 00:16:40,800
you know

437
00:16:45,110 --> 00:16:43,839
o'hare uh the o'hare airport thing was

438
00:16:48,069 --> 00:16:45,120
tremendous

439
00:16:51,990 --> 00:16:48,079
um and and the gulf breeze incidents you

440
00:16:53,590 --> 00:16:52,000
know those are all huge flat ufo events

441
00:16:55,350 --> 00:16:53,600
big waves where there's constant

442
00:16:56,949 --> 00:16:55,360
sightings right

443
00:16:59,829 --> 00:16:56,959
but the hudson valley you know i guess

444
00:17:02,870 --> 00:16:59,839
i'm fortunate enough to grow up that

445
00:17:05,669 --> 00:17:02,880
i grew up in this area and i had met

446
00:17:07,990 --> 00:17:05,679
plenty of people um you know more so

447
00:17:09,429 --> 00:17:08,000
after i was a researcher and i was like

448
00:17:11,029 --> 00:17:09,439
looking around and speaking to people

449
00:17:13,270 --> 00:17:11,039
and i you know i'm the kind of person

450
00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:13,280
obviously i'm a new yorker so i'll just

451
00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:16,880
ask people what they think yeah

452
00:17:22,230 --> 00:17:19,919
but i met i met um

453
00:17:24,870 --> 00:17:22,240
actually somebody at my library

454
00:17:26,789 --> 00:17:24,880
and you know she ended up having several

455
00:17:29,909 --> 00:17:26,799
experiences during

456
00:17:31,590 --> 00:17:29,919
that um the hudson valley ufo wave and

457
00:17:33,830 --> 00:17:31,600
she was actually she ended up being

458
00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:33,840
featured in uh one of

459
00:17:38,870 --> 00:17:36,240
linda zimmerman's books

460
00:17:40,630 --> 00:17:38,880
oh i i actually yeah i actually i didn't

461
00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:40,640
meet someone from the book but i did

462
00:17:45,750 --> 00:17:43,440
meet someone that linda uh did uh

463
00:17:47,669 --> 00:17:45,760
interview and that's how i got uh her

464
00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:47,679
phone number

465
00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:50,080
to call her but uh one of my high school

466
00:17:55,350 --> 00:17:53,360
classmates i posted on our class webpage

467
00:17:57,350 --> 00:17:55,360
and i was like crickets no one responded

468
00:17:59,669 --> 00:17:57,360
then finally a girl came back said she

469
00:18:01,909 --> 00:17:59,679
said uh yeah dave she said i had uh i

470
00:18:03,909 --> 00:18:01,919
had an experience linda zimmerman came

471
00:18:06,150 --> 00:18:03,919
and interviewed us and my neighbor my

472
00:18:08,789 --> 00:18:06,160
whole family saw it in the backyard

473
00:18:11,190 --> 00:18:08,799
yeah and and my neighbor so in montrose

474
00:18:12,789 --> 00:18:11,200
right near where you live so yeah it's

475
00:18:16,150 --> 00:18:12,799
funny because um

476
00:18:17,510 --> 00:18:16,160
at one of my jobs i met somebody and

477
00:18:19,430 --> 00:18:17,520
randomly

478
00:18:20,390 --> 00:18:19,440
i you know i brought up the issue

479
00:18:22,230 --> 00:18:20,400
because i was talking about the

480
00:18:24,150 --> 00:18:22,240
disclosure project

481
00:18:26,830 --> 00:18:24,160
you know some years ago i was

482
00:18:30,870 --> 00:18:26,840
talking to some people at work about it

483
00:18:32,870 --> 00:18:30,880
and uh this gentleman actually told me

484
00:18:35,669 --> 00:18:32,880
he's you know he's like yeah you know in

485
00:18:37,190 --> 00:18:35,679
the 80s i was you know out in this field

486
00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:37,200
and we saw this

487
00:18:40,070 --> 00:18:38,080
huge

488
00:18:41,990 --> 00:18:40,080
silent craft these the boomerang

489
00:18:43,750 --> 00:18:42,000
basically explained go over them

490
00:18:45,909 --> 00:18:43,760
completely silently

491
00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:45,919
and um

492
00:18:50,150 --> 00:18:48,080
i mean when he's telling the story he's

493
00:18:52,150 --> 00:18:50,160
you can see he's he was you know kind of

494
00:18:54,310 --> 00:18:52,160
reminiscing and he was amazed by what he

495
00:18:56,710 --> 00:18:54,320
had experienced i don't know how

496
00:18:59,270 --> 00:18:56,720
drastically had changed his life but

497
00:19:02,549 --> 00:18:59,280
um he was you could tell you know he was

498
00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:02,559
uh i guess you can say a a believer

499
00:19:08,230 --> 00:19:05,840
um and what he saw was pretty profound

500
00:19:10,230 --> 00:19:08,240
uh so you know there's there's kind of

501
00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:10,240
um

502
00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:11,760
a decent amount of that around here

503
00:19:15,029 --> 00:19:13,520
which i think is fortunate

504
00:19:16,710 --> 00:19:15,039
there's a spectrum you know of people

505
00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:16,720
but i mean just that you know when

506
00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:17,840
someone's talking about it it's

507
00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:20,080
emotionally moving unfortunately i'm you

508
00:19:23,590 --> 00:19:21,600
know mine wasn't very emotionally moving

509
00:19:25,270 --> 00:19:23,600
because i just didn't get to see it long

510
00:19:26,950 --> 00:19:25,280
enough and i was going home and i was

511
00:19:28,630 --> 00:19:26,960
going to tell my parents because i knew

512
00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:28,640
i knew exactly what my father or my

513
00:19:31,830 --> 00:19:30,080
mother would say so i was like i'm not

514
00:19:34,230 --> 00:19:31,840
going to talk about this well and then

515
00:19:37,190 --> 00:19:34,240
again years later for me

516
00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:37,200
it ended up that

517
00:19:41,669 --> 00:19:40,400
one of the guys featured in like the

518
00:19:44,549 --> 00:19:41,679
um

519
00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:44,559
the like tv show where they covered it

520
00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:45,600
um

521
00:19:48,789 --> 00:19:47,120
what's uh what's that

522
00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:48,799
mysteries you're right so one of the

523
00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:51,360
guys that was featured in that show

524
00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:53,679
i believe his name is dennis sant

525
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:55,440
and he was

526
00:20:00,150 --> 00:19:57,120
some kind of uh

527
00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:00,160
maybe council member in putnam valley

528
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:02,720
and uh he ended up

529
00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:05,280
like again i i didn't realize this until

530
00:20:09,909 --> 00:20:06,799
way afterwards

531
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:09,919
that he was the brother of

532
00:20:13,669 --> 00:20:11,760
one of um

533
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:13,679
the martial arts instructors that i knew

534
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:15,440
from this place i went to and i was like

535
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:17,280
oh my god it's just it's a small world

536
00:20:20,870 --> 00:20:19,280
right right what a connection

537
00:20:22,630 --> 00:20:20,880
well and i i yeah i didn't realize that

538
00:20:24,630 --> 00:20:22,640
until after i knew

539
00:20:26,710 --> 00:20:24,640
the martial arts instructor

540
00:20:28,549 --> 00:20:26,720
and then again i'm like wait oh dad i

541
00:20:31,909 --> 00:20:28,559
said i'm like oh no way and it's like

542
00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:31,919
that's his brother and it was a

543
00:20:36,070 --> 00:20:34,080
small world over here it's weird that

544
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:36,080
we're from this place it was like this

545
00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:37,440
epicenter of

546
00:20:41,430 --> 00:20:39,760
of of uh ufo but are we ready to bring

547
00:20:42,710 --> 00:20:41,440
on deb now nathan i think we can we'll

548
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:42,720
get we'll give it a shot here so i'm

549
00:20:47,909 --> 00:20:46,240
going to add dev to the uh to the stream

550
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:47,919
uh i just want to

551
00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:51,440
intro her real james if you can hear me

552
00:20:57,669 --> 00:20:54,640
this is uh she goes by at a study of

553
00:21:00,070 --> 00:20:57,679
uaps and ufos uh her name's deb

554
00:21:03,669 --> 00:21:00,080
uh she's a psychologist by trade

555
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:03,679
and she has really done a deep dive into

556
00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:06,400
document research going and finding

557
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:08,480
everything that's open source

558
00:21:13,590 --> 00:21:11,600
uh everything open source about uh

559
00:21:16,549 --> 00:21:13,600
that's available on any of the three

560
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:16,559
letter agency websites about ufos so

561
00:21:21,029 --> 00:21:19,039
um i think like nathan she's gonna

562
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:21,039
become somebody that's that's well known

563
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:23,200
in uh in this space so deb uh can you

564
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:27,750
deb

565
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,280
can i get an amen can you guys hear me

566
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:33,360
yes ma'am i'm great

567
00:21:37,590 --> 00:21:35,440
so unfortunately i was not able to use

568
00:21:39,830 --> 00:21:37,600
my beautiful avatar so i will share that

569
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:39,840
later but i wanted to say hello james

570
00:21:43,750 --> 00:21:41,440
nice to meet you

571
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:43,760
hey how are you i'm thank you very much

572
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:46,640
um i would like to ask you a question

573
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:48,559
about communication

574
00:21:51,270 --> 00:21:49,600
with

575
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:51,280
our visitors

576
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:53,679
i would like to ask if you have a

577
00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:56,720
recommendation and specifically for the

578
00:22:01,830 --> 00:21:58,880
us military

579
00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:01,840
and if you think there is any risk

580
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:09,669
what's the first part of the question

581
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:11,440
how you would recommend that we would

582
00:22:16,630 --> 00:22:14,880
communicate with our visitors

583
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:16,640
well um

584
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:17,600
again

585
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,159
on if you're going to talk on a

586
00:22:24,390 --> 00:22:22,320
technological aspect because for all i

587
00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:24,400
know that there is advanced technology

588
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:26,240
that there there can be interactions

589
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:27,120
with

590
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:30,799
um because even in c5 field work there's

591
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:32,799
rudimentary forms of electronic

592
00:22:36,270 --> 00:22:34,880
communications where

593
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:36,280
there's interference with

594
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,880
electromagnetic devices and and things

595
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:40,720
of that nature and i've seen some pretty

596
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:42,880
stuff like i've seen stuff like that in

597
00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:46,159
person that was pretty um unique

598
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:48,640
um i don't know how much you can

599
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:51,280
garner from that type of communication

600
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:53,200
if you have to develop a system to kind

601
00:22:57,750 --> 00:22:56,240
of translate that

602
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:57,760
but get getting to the consciousness

603
00:23:03,110 --> 00:22:59,440
aspect

604
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:03,120
um as far as recommending

605
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,720
i mean

606
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:06,559
i think there's there's people that are

607
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:08,880
actually looking into that in deeper

608
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:10,720
programs um

609
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:12,960
you know we hear about the different

610
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:15,360
things even in like american cosmic with

611
00:23:20,070 --> 00:23:18,080
these different experiencers and there's

612
00:23:23,029 --> 00:23:20,080
kind of part of agencies and they're

613
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:23,039
studying this in secret so i think they

614
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:24,559
do have basic understanding on that

615
00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:27,120
level on an open source level

616
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:28,320
um

617
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:29,200
you know

618
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:29,919
is

619
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:31,760
i don't i don't know if i

620
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:33,280
i mean

621
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,440
if i would recommend it just say hey

622
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:37,200
everybody let's do it

623
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:40,320
um i'm a proponent of it in the sense

624
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:42,400
where if somebody's open to doing it i'd

625
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:43,679
say

626
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:45,039
um

627
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:47,919
you're you're much more likely to have a

628
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:52,000
a positive experience uh however um you

629
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:54,240
know when somebody

630
00:23:57,190 --> 00:23:55,760
you don't know how you're gonna react

631
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:57,200
when you have an encounter you might

632
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:58,799
think yeah this is gonna be awesome i'm

633
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:01,760
gonna see some kind of ship or something

634
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:04,400
or some orb or

635
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:05,679
you know whatever

636
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:08,400
and you go out and you do it and it

637
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,559
becomes unsettling to you so

638
00:24:15,029 --> 00:24:12,720
i i don't you know everybody's an

639
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:15,039
individual in that sense

640
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:15,840
so

641
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:17,760
uh you know usually the people that are

642
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:19,200
going to do it are people that are

643
00:24:22,390 --> 00:24:20,799
driven to do it

644
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:22,400
uh so

645
00:24:27,510 --> 00:24:25,840
in that sense i'm i'm open to

646
00:24:29,110 --> 00:24:27,520
making recommendations for people who

647
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:29,120
are just gonna do it

648
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:30,840
and

649
00:24:35,669 --> 00:24:34,799
um meditation is is usually

650
00:24:37,269 --> 00:24:35,679
you know

651
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:37,279
definitely in

652
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:40,880
the the ce5 protocols meditation is is a

653
00:24:46,789 --> 00:24:44,400
standard and even uh mission rama who's

654
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:46,799
doing the same kind of work back in the

655
00:24:52,710 --> 00:24:49,279
1970s and in peru

656
00:24:54,149 --> 00:24:52,720
also had meditation and and both groups

657
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:54,159
recognized

658
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:56,559
the uh the power of meditation to kind

659
00:25:01,750 --> 00:24:59,039
of stabilize and calm you

660
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:01,760
so you're more balanced and settled in a

661
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:02,720
sense

662
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,640
um because there's

663
00:25:09,510 --> 00:25:06,400
there's you know stories of people

664
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:09,520
having c5s especially the early sea seti

665
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:11,440
years

666
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:12,240
where

667
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:14,080
you know they're like yeah we're gonna

668
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:15,919
go out and make the contact and do this

669
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:18,640
and then uh ships appear you know crafts

670
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:21,840
come in uh fairly close and people

671
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:24,320
they ran and they drove away and sped

672
00:25:28,390 --> 00:25:26,480
away like they were

673
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:28,400
you know so stuff like that happens and

674
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:30,000
so it's all individual

675
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:31,760
um

676
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:33,279
so

677
00:25:37,590 --> 00:25:35,279
you know getting to the

678
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:37,600
you know the communication part right

679
00:25:41,669 --> 00:25:39,840
um there's

680
00:25:43,510 --> 00:25:41,679
when i observed basic forms of

681
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:43,520
communication where there's an

682
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:45,600
acknowledgement between you

683
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:48,720
and the ufo or the intelligence and

684
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:50,240
there's you know

685
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:53,840
as far as if you receive impressions and

686
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:55,520
telepathic downloads and things like

687
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:58,870
again

688
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:01,360
trying to understand what that is

689
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:03,440
directly

690
00:26:08,310 --> 00:26:05,679
that's something that has to be studied

691
00:26:12,310 --> 00:26:10,549
if i receive an impression or a message

692
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:12,320
i mean how how am i supposed to validate

693
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:13,200
that

694
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:18,320
ce5 work in contact needs more attention

695
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:19,600
and study

696
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:21,279
um

697
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:22,799
i don't know if i want the military

698
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:25,440
doing that you know because that that

699
00:26:29,110 --> 00:26:26,640
that's not

700
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:29,120
their mission right um and i understand

701
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:29,919
lou

702
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:32,320
elizondo kind of emphasizes that

703
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:35,279
uh you know military has specific

704
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:36,400
um

705
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:38,880
you know goals and missions so you know

706
00:26:42,470 --> 00:26:41,279
i think we need science doing that kind

707
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:42,480
of thing

708
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:44,799
um different

709
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:46,640
scientific groups

710
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:49,440
um i mean even even the galileo project

711
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:50,720
and stuff they're they're going to be

712
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:56,549
to to i'm not sure what kind of

713
00:27:01,990 --> 00:26:59,600
information they're going to gather but

714
00:27:05,269 --> 00:27:02,000
it looks like like the time being even

715
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:05,279
just collecting that data is going to be

716
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:08,640
a form of communication in a sense until

717
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:10,960
you know there is a more profound level

718
00:27:15,830 --> 00:27:13,679
of contact because

719
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:15,840
even let's say we get

720
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:17,279
three people

721
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,880
and we're all

722
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:20,799
say there's three us government people

723
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:22,159
and they're sanctioned they say listen

724
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,120
we're gonna do the c5 protocols and and

725
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:27,360
and do the communication

726
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:28,880
uh you know

727
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:31,200
and they all get the same message

728
00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:32,799
you know even at that point how do you

729
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:34,399
validate that the message that you're

730
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:35,440
getting

731
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:37,760
is accurate number one

732
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:40,960
um and number two

733
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:43,120
and i i hate to say this as as like a

734
00:27:47,029 --> 00:27:45,360
contact person but how do you even how

735
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:47,039
do you trust it right how do you know

736
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:50,240
it's to take it at face value

737
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:52,080
and and something i always come back to

738
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:54,000
even with my own experiences is the

739
00:27:58,950 --> 00:27:56,000
interpretation of that of the you know

740
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:58,960
even just the person interpreting

741
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:01,039
um the information

742
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:04,640
uh is how much of that is

743
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:07,440
rubbed off from their own subconscious

744
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:09,520
um i hope that that answered some of

745
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:11,120
your questions if not you can kind of

746
00:28:13,830 --> 00:28:12,720
beat me

747
00:28:16,230 --> 00:28:13,840
hey james

748
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:16,240
actually nathan has something a whole

749
00:28:19,909 --> 00:28:17,760
topic that he's going to want to go into

750
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:19,919
with you on that very part of how can we

751
00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:22,399
trust certain things and yeah it's an

752
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:24,559
interesting hypothesis yes deb did you

753
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:27,360
have any follow-up as to uh

754
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:29,840
to that or was that it i remember they

755
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:31,360
were talking about

756
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:32,480
yeah

757
00:28:35,909 --> 00:28:33,840
i actually was going to say i think

758
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:35,919
that's a very interesting perspective to

759
00:28:40,470 --> 00:28:38,399
mention that there might be something

760
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:40,480
electronic in our consciousness is kind

761
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:42,000
of what i got from the first part of

762
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:44,080
that right and then you know of course

763
00:28:49,269 --> 00:28:46,640
people have talked about using math and

764
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:49,279
um symbols all very interesting ideas

765
00:28:54,389 --> 00:28:52,080
and hopefully you are right science will

766
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:54,399
embrace that and

767
00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:57,120
let us know

768
00:28:59,510 --> 00:28:58,720
yeah and i think there's there's there

769
00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:59,520
are

770
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:00,960
um

771
00:29:06,149 --> 00:29:03,360
i don't want to say even claim destined

772
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:06,159
maybe it's better to say proprietary

773
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:08,159
studies into that right now

774
00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:11,120
no well no because it's proprietary

775
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:13,760
yeah that's how these things that's how

776
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:16,399
the good stuff operates is proprietary

777
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:17,279
um

778
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:19,440
so that that is it is being looked into

779
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:20,159
and

780
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:21,520
the scientists that are dealing with

781
00:29:25,510 --> 00:29:23,039
that are

782
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:25,520
they have good ideas um

783
00:29:29,590 --> 00:29:27,440
but they're they're just as baffled as

784
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:29,600
us in the ufo community even if they

785
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:31,520
have some

786
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:34,080
um interesting details and hypotheses

787
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:36,000
and and even the science to back up some

788
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:38,159
of what their hypothesis is

789
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:39,840
uh that they still don't have the

790
00:29:43,269 --> 00:29:41,679
answers to the bigger questions they're

791
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:43,279
they're just as

792
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:45,039
um

793
00:29:50,149 --> 00:29:48,159
but yeah they can see emi and say okay i

794
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:50,159
think there could be something to

795
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:52,080
materialize here but they can't the

796
00:29:55,990 --> 00:29:53,760
biggest and we got to get akashi in here

797
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:56,000
because she's got a question for you but

798
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:58,000
nobody knows how to the biggest problem

799
00:30:01,750 --> 00:29:59,200
we're having right now is we don't know

800
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:01,760
how to contact them we don't know we

801
00:30:06,630 --> 00:30:04,159
can't key the mic when they you know

802
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:06,640
when ryan graves see those those uh

803
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:09,279
circle inside a cube thing and say hey

804
00:30:12,149 --> 00:30:11,039
hey guys uh you know can you land on the

805
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:12,159
carrier deck because we just want to

806
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:14,080
have a dialogue with you we need to have

807
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:16,799
a way to speak to them absolutely far

808
00:30:22,230 --> 00:30:20,320
as we know there's there there may be

809
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:22,240
there may be something that we just

810
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:25,600
don't know about um

811
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:28,240
i and i have to say i i would think that

812
00:30:33,590 --> 00:30:31,039
the the ufo phenomenon if it wanted to

813
00:30:35,669 --> 00:30:33,600
it could clearly

814
00:30:38,549 --> 00:30:35,679
facilitate that kind of communication

815
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:38,559
has it happened and and it's been

816
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:41,760
classified by the nsa

817
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:44,399
i have no idea i have no idea

818
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:47,600
and i i wouldn't i i wouldn't stake it

819
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:49,200
either way i wouldn't say yes or no

820
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,320
because i i really have no idea

821
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:54,720
yeah well deb thank you for uh coming on

822
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:56,559
to ask your question we're really glad

823
00:31:00,389 --> 00:30:58,000
to have you with us and

824
00:31:01,909 --> 00:31:00,399
uh i know you're gonna be back in the

825
00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:01,919
chat so we'll uh we'll definitely be

826
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:03,279
looking for future questions that you

827
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:05,200
got there and and we appreciate you you

828
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:06,640
spent some time with us i'm going to

829
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:08,799
bring akashi on she had a question as

830
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:11,200
well our esteemed associate producer

831
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:14,080
akashi chris

832
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:16,799
hi hi james

833
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:18,399
hey um

834
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:19,679
so

835
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:21,919
as i was watching all kinds of videos

836
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:23,360
and looking into everything that you're

837
00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:26,240
doing i started um doing my own research

838
00:31:29,509 --> 00:31:26,960
and

839
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:29,519
um today i was telling um i was telling

840
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:31,120
the guys and i'm like okay i'm gonna

841
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:33,360
download just to just to see what you

842
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,720
know what this is all about i'm gonna

843
00:31:38,710 --> 00:31:36,799
download the c5 app

844
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:38,720
and um and i want to kind of look into

845
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:40,000
it because i i don't want to have an

846
00:31:44,630 --> 00:31:41,440
opinion about something that i haven't

847
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:44,640
even researched but um but at the same

848
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:47,519
time um as i'm as i'm looking through

849
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:50,240
this and starting again newbie at this

850
00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:51,039
um

851
00:31:55,310 --> 00:31:53,120
so it looks like

852
00:31:56,950 --> 00:31:55,320
once you achieve that

853
00:31:59,830 --> 00:31:56,960
awareness

854
00:32:02,389 --> 00:31:59,840
of consciousness a true consciousness

855
00:32:03,909 --> 00:32:02,399
right so it's a concept of consciousness

856
00:32:05,830 --> 00:32:03,919
not the things that happen but

857
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:05,840
consciousness the fact that i have a

858
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:07,840
conscience that i am conscious of the

859
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:09,200
things around me

860
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:11,200
once you get you know so you go through

861
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:13,360
the cfi program so once you have gotten

862
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:14,960
to that point and you've been able to

863
00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:17,200
experience is that something that

864
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:19,760
your mind is just now more open to

865
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:22,320
things and now you've kind of made us

866
00:32:25,669 --> 00:32:23,679
like like

867
00:32:28,389 --> 00:32:25,679
almost your brain has switched a little

868
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:28,399
bit to to be more of a hub

869
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:31,360
or do you still consider the c5 method

870
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:35,919
methodology necessary to grow that uh

871
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:39,279
grow that experience or evolve it

872
00:32:42,630 --> 00:32:40,159
yeah

873
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:42,640
that was a great question uh thank you

874
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:44,080
and you have a very cool background by

875
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,509
chris

876
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:52,230
um so yeah i mean i guess there's a few

877
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:54,000
things you can go over there

878
00:33:02,870 --> 00:33:00,470
you know i i just to be honest there's

879
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:02,880
gonna be people that are exceptional in

880
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:05,840
in these regards for for

881
00:33:10,230 --> 00:33:08,080
no other reason maybe genetics

882
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:10,240
um predeposition

883
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:11,360
conditioning

884
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:12,720
so you know you're gonna have your

885
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:14,880
picassos that for some reason they can

886
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:18,399
just tune in no protocols no nothing um

887
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:20,320
you know

888
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:22,320
people might not like this example but

889
00:33:25,350 --> 00:33:23,679
uh you know

890
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:25,360
dr steven greer

891
00:33:30,310 --> 00:33:28,399
um christopher bledsoe dorothy ezzat

892
00:33:32,549 --> 00:33:30,320
there's people that can

893
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:32,559
you know but it so happened that those

894
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:34,240
people

895
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:36,720
had a particular kind of spiritual

896
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,480
incarnation uh so i don't know if that's

897
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:40,559
telling to one thing or another

898
00:33:43,509 --> 00:33:41,919
um but

899
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,519
there are you have your

900
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:45,360
there's people that are gonna have an

901
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:48,080
easier time with that but generally

902
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:51,200
speaking for the majority of people

903
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:52,880
i think

904
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:54,320
regular

905
00:34:00,470 --> 00:33:57,600
mindfulness or meditation practices

906
00:34:02,149 --> 00:34:00,480
are going to help facilitate

907
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:02,159
that

908
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:03,840
and you know it doesn't have to be so

909
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:05,279
overtly

910
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:07,760
as sitting meditation seated meditation

911
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:09,520
although i would recommend that as a

912
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:10,879
stable for

913
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:13,280
people that are going to endeavor and to

914
00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:15,200
see e5 in contact

915
00:34:19,669 --> 00:34:17,919
um you know even project unity j you

916
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:19,679
know he was saying how

917
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:21,520
you know he would climb and he gets in

918
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:24,720
the zone so that that zone

919
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:26,240
is um

920
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:29,679
you know what in in terravata we call um

921
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,879
mind body you know body mind awareness

922
00:34:37,430 --> 00:34:34,800
and that's actually a very powerful

923
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:37,440
state i would say for facilitating this

924
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:38,960
kind of contact

925
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:40,159
um

926
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:42,720
even in grant cameron's book

927
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:45,760
uh there you know uh contact modalities

928
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:48,000
they were taught john burroughs was you

929
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:50,000
know the randall shum experiencer and he

930
00:34:53,109 --> 00:34:51,280
had

931
00:34:54,629 --> 00:34:53,119
just you know pretty crazy experiences

932
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:54,639
and

933
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:57,920
um you know i think it was dr kit green

934
00:35:02,390 --> 00:34:59,680
or somebody else

935
00:35:05,589 --> 00:35:02,400
had recommended to him

936
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:05,599
doing combining a type of um

937
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:09,119
crepulia yoga and and vipassana

938
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:11,119
at the same time you know combining

939
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:13,040
those practices because you're basically

940
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:14,560
doing a hemisink

941
00:35:17,430 --> 00:35:15,599
effect

942
00:35:18,310 --> 00:35:17,440
um you're balancing the nervous system

943
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:18,320
and

944
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:19,359
so

945
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:21,839
it you know seated meditation is is one

946
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:22,880
thing but

947
00:35:26,310 --> 00:35:25,040
you know you could actually do a contact

948
00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:26,320
sequence

949
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:28,880
while you're doing a workout um

950
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:31,200
you know while you're doing a jog while

951
00:35:35,109 --> 00:35:32,800
you're doing music while you're doing

952
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:35,119
art and that could be very effective

953
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:36,400
um

954
00:35:38,069 --> 00:35:37,200
but

955
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:38,079
uh

956
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:40,160
seated meditation yeah i would i would

957
00:35:44,870 --> 00:35:42,320
recommend that and

958
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:44,880
what i have found personally

959
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:46,640
um

960
00:35:51,190 --> 00:35:48,160
is that

961
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:51,200
you know concentration based exercises

962
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:53,520
do help although

963
00:35:56,829 --> 00:35:55,200
you don't want to get too locked into

964
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:56,839
concentration

965
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:58,880
um but

966
00:36:03,430 --> 00:36:01,200
those and and i actually found out later

967
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:03,440
that um

968
00:36:07,190 --> 00:36:06,000
what they call them the in buddhism the

969
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:07,200
jhanas

970
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:10,400
uh which are concentration states but uh

971
00:36:14,470 --> 00:36:12,320
in actually buddhism the foundation of

972
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:14,480
all buddhist magic is the jhanas and

973
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:16,720
those are concentration states

974
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:19,040
um so

975
00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:21,040
dif different different modes are going

976
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:22,400
to work for different people you have to

977
00:36:26,790 --> 00:36:24,640
see e5 protocols

978
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:26,800
which for people listening the the basic

979
00:36:31,589 --> 00:36:29,040
ce5 protocols

980
00:36:35,190 --> 00:36:31,599
are not necessarily

981
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:35,200
necessary for ce5 itself but they're a

982
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,160
good guideline and the c5 protocols

983
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:40,560
would basically be to do one of these

984
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,359
meditations whether you're using

985
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:45,359
pranayama

986
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:47,090
counting the breath

987
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:48,240
[Music]

988
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,760
you know open awareness kind of zen

989
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:53,520
there's all different practices you can

990
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:57,119
do but once you do that practice for

991
00:37:02,069 --> 00:36:59,760
any amount of time you know again

992
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:02,079
5 10 15 20 minutes

993
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:03,200
an hour

994
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:05,200
and then after you

995
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,040
you do the meditation practice then you

996
00:37:10,950 --> 00:37:09,359
do what is called cts which is coherent

997
00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:10,960
thought sequencing

998
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:12,880
which is

999
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:14,960
what dr stephen greer would say is a

1000
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:16,960
remote viewing so you're actually going

1001
00:37:25,990 --> 00:37:23,589
ufo intelligence and use a visualize a

1002
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:26,000
visualization vector to remote view them

1003
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:28,720
basically back to your location and go

1004
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:30,720
back and forth through that process for

1005
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:32,720
another 15 or 20 minutes if you can

1006
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:33,839
stand it

1007
00:37:38,790 --> 00:37:35,040
um

1008
00:37:40,550 --> 00:37:38,800
so that's the basic ce5 protocols is

1009
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:40,560
doing meditation and then doing what's

1010
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:41,920
called cts

1011
00:37:45,190 --> 00:37:43,680
if you can't remote view you just use

1012
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:45,200
visualization

1013
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:48,000
and uh that will work as well

1014
00:37:51,270 --> 00:37:49,440
um

1015
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:51,280
i did i answer your question

1016
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:53,599
yeah you did because um first of all i

1017
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:55,599
just kind of wanted to see if you were

1018
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:57,040
if you kind of

1019
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:59,839
it looks like you still follow the c5

1020
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:01,119
you know

1021
00:38:06,630 --> 00:38:04,400
something that it probably helps you

1022
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:06,640
also evolve i mean for somebody like me

1023
00:38:11,670 --> 00:38:08,720
that has like the attention span of a

1024
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:11,680
nat i have a really bad atd so it's like

1025
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:12,480
really

1026
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:14,720
you know hard for me to meditate and

1027
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:16,880
it's like i need you know that that kind

1028
00:38:22,069 --> 00:38:19,760
of structure but i was leading with that

1029
00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:22,079
i'm sorry it was i

1030
00:38:25,589 --> 00:38:24,560
i've never tried it

1031
00:38:51,589 --> 00:38:25,599
i

1032
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:51,599
at c5 because

1033
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:53,440
it's all part of the puzzle somehow i

1034
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:55,680
don't know how but it's like if you miss

1035
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:57,359
one part of the puzzle that puzzles not

1036
00:39:01,349 --> 00:38:58,880
going to come together and it's going to

1037
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:01,359
look like you know yeah well i was i was

1038
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:03,200
even going to do a video a while back

1039
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:05,200
called you know ufos and the observer

1040
00:39:09,589 --> 00:39:07,280
effect because you have something like

1041
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:09,599
that going on almost with ce5 and

1042
00:39:12,790 --> 00:39:11,839
intention and awareness

1043
00:39:14,790 --> 00:39:12,800
but

1044
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:14,800
that's what i like about the the ce5

1045
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:17,119
protocols is that they're great training

1046
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:18,079
wheels

1047
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:20,400
if you have you know no formal

1048
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:22,720
introduction to any of this and you

1049
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:24,640
i mean it just makes sense

1050
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:28,240
where you can do a b and c and have d as

1051
00:39:32,470 --> 00:39:30,160
the result i mean it's simple it's

1052
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:32,480
straightforward and i would say if

1053
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:34,560
you're serious about um

1054
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:35,440
you know

1055
00:39:37,990 --> 00:39:37,119
pursuing that

1056
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:38,000
you know

1057
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:41,359
follow the protocols to the t

1058
00:39:44,550 --> 00:39:43,520
for a few months

1059
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:44,560
and then

1060
00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:46,079
at that point

1061
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:47,760
you know see

1062
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:49,680
start experimenting a little you know

1063
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:51,200
because you know at that point you

1064
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:53,359
should have some responses

1065
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:55,040
and

1066
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:58,320
you you'll intuitively kind of

1067
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:00,240
devise your own approach based on your

1068
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:02,480
own inclinations that actually that

1069
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:04,480
process will probably happen

1070
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:08,319
um instinctually almost uh it did for me

1071
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,760
um where

1072
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:11,760
i i still

1073
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:13,920
mess around with the cd5 protocols but

1074
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,240
like 90 of the time

1075
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:18,240
i'm doing my own

1076
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,280
protocols that that i just

1077
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:23,680
that's where i was leading at some point

1078
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:26,640
uh you now you're kind of got that

1079
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:27,920
connection

1080
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:30,000
yeah right like yeah well you do your

1081
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,000
own at some point but um anyway i'm

1082
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:34,240
going to let nathan

1083
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:35,760
and

1084
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:38,160
talk but for my part i don't think i've

1085
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:40,480
ever had a challenge to me

1086
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:43,280
he said try it for how long

1087
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:45,119
six months a couple of months he said

1088
00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:46,480
couple months yeah a couple of months

1089
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:48,880
yeah i tried for a couple months and

1090
00:40:53,349 --> 00:40:51,280
then we're gonna regroup

1091
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:53,359
how how how how

1092
00:40:59,620 --> 00:40:55,200
how often are you going to be doing it

1093
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:01,349
[Music]

1094
00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:03,839
yeah and you you can state the challenge

1095
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:06,000
you can put the challenge on twitter so

1096
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:07,920
i can give the time back to nathan dj

1097
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,440
you put the challenge on twitter tell me

1098
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:11,440
how often and i'm going to try it it's

1099
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:13,440
not a bad idea generally

1100
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:14,480
anybody else that may want to

1101
00:41:18,390 --> 00:41:15,760
participate

1102
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:18,400
yeah my only kind of advice as far as

1103
00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:20,240
that is like what you put into it is

1104
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:22,000
what you're going to get out of it

1105
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:26,079
again there's there's some kind of um

1106
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,480
people that they had it's beginner's

1107
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:30,400
luck i mean i've seen people where like

1108
00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:32,240
the first time

1109
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:33,040
uh

1110
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:35,280
to have an experience that's just like

1111
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:37,280
incredible and then i've i know people

1112
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:38,640
took them a few months and they were

1113
00:41:44,150 --> 00:41:41,920
having very basic kind of experiences

1114
00:41:46,230 --> 00:41:44,160
but then again they they eventually

1115
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:46,240
started having pretty profound ones but

1116
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:48,240
that it was only after they were doing

1117
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:49,680
it for months

1118
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:52,000
um going out and those were people some

1119
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:53,760
of them i went out with

1120
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:55,760
um i was going out with them maybe once

1121
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:57,200
or twice a week

1122
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:58,319
um

1123
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:01,440
for oh yeah i used to do when i or in in

1124
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,280
the earlier days i can say i was doing

1125
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:05,520
this almost every single day for like

1126
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:07,680
several hours a day like

1127
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:08,560
um

1128
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:10,000
you know if there's like a professional

1129
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:12,960
level of c5 i'm up there for sure yeah

1130
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:14,880
amazing one last thing and i'll let you

1131
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:16,720
go is um i

1132
00:42:21,270 --> 00:42:19,200
i'm not having any expectations except

1133
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,280
for going through that journey

1134
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:23,359
because even just if i can get to

1135
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:26,000
meditate and feel like i'm i'm more

1136
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:27,040
aware

1137
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:28,480
that's a win

1138
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:30,960
so i can and and according to things i

1139
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:32,720
see it's like you have to kind of go in

1140
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:34,640
kind of with an open mind of your heart

1141
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:35,599
and no

1142
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,599
you know ill intentions

1143
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:39,680
so that's how i'm going to step into it

1144
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:42,319
it's a challenge see you on twitter

1145
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:44,480
i'll let you guys take back over i love

1146
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:50,390
takashi akashi first ladies and

1147
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:51,680
gentlemen

1148
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:53,119
i was going to say i don't think i've

1149
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,079
had a coherent uh thought sequence ever

1150
00:43:02,150 --> 00:42:58,800
so nathan this this would be

1151
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:02,160
revolutionary if i could have a coherent

1152
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:04,000
cause it could be life-changing sequence

1153
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:05,520
i think that would please

1154
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:06,400
you

1155
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:09,280
this channel there's some kind of

1156
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:11,119
coherent thought going on i agree i

1157
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:13,200
agree he's a master at that so james i

1158
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:15,760
guess the question i have for you uh

1159
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:17,440
well i just i i'm sorry i just want to

1160
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:19,920
do one insert here please people may be

1161
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:22,800
curious about ce5 here of course

1162
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:26,720
there is a free pdf book uh that i know

1163
00:43:33,750 --> 00:43:29,760
somebody in the ce5 network created

1164
00:43:35,349 --> 00:43:33,760
um called a c5 c5 field workers guide i

1165
00:43:37,589 --> 00:43:35,359
believe um

1166
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:37,599
there's a website and a pdf all when

1167
00:43:42,710 --> 00:43:39,680
when the show's over i will send it to

1168
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:42,720
you i'll send you the link

1169
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:44,640
a ce5 manual

1170
00:43:48,470 --> 00:43:46,560
okay and it's on amazon where you can

1171
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:48,480
buy the pdf for

1172
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:51,680
one dollar or it's it's just free on the

1173
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:54,079
website okay so yeah we'll put that in

1174
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:55,599
the description man that'd be great

1175
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:57,760
yeah there's it's not just the ce5

1176
00:44:02,069 --> 00:43:59,920
protocols there's several different

1177
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,079
approaches in there and they guarantee i

1178
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:04,160
mean again they guarantee within six

1179
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:05,440
times you'll have some kind of

1180
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:08,640
experience right um but again it's it's

1181
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:10,800
a very useful tool and it's free

1182
00:44:15,990 --> 00:44:12,160
yeah

1183
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:16,000
ask you about um i know you're familiar

1184
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:19,520
with the work of leslie kane uh and dr

1185
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:21,200
jeffrey mishlov who i know you've spoken

1186
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:22,800
with

1187
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:26,560
is what are your thoughts on the

1188
00:44:31,910 --> 00:44:28,960
intersection or connection between

1189
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:31,920
uh things like fit physical mediumship

1190
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:35,359
and and c5 we think there's some kind of

1191
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:37,920
you know similar mechanism or pathway

1192
00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:39,200
that is occurring there are we

1193
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:41,760
manifesting these objects rather than

1194
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:44,720
uh them you know coming to us separate

1195
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:46,800
from us are they part of us and is that

1196
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:47,920
something is that something you've

1197
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:49,440
explored

1198
00:44:53,829 --> 00:44:51,520
yeah i'm gonna say it's

1199
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:53,839
it's we're there's several different

1200
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:55,040
phenomena

1201
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:56,960
that are going on that are intersecting

1202
00:45:00,790 --> 00:44:59,760
and there's all that is going on

1203
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:00,800
um

1204
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:03,119
i'm gonna say some of it is

1205
00:45:06,150 --> 00:45:04,560
literally

1206
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,160
probably

1207
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:08,079
what we would call extraterrestrial

1208
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:10,160
intelligence and is you literally using

1209
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,200
just a super super advanced technology

1210
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:15,920
to facilitate these kind of interactions

1211
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:18,720
and manifestations like literally just

1212
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:21,200
technology they've mastered the the

1213
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:22,000
stuff

1214
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:24,880
um even the science of consciousness

1215
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:27,359
um but some of it is what we would

1216
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:30,000
consider spiritual technology and there

1217
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:32,480
are entities and intelligences

1218
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:33,599
that

1219
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:38,720
different experiences where you there's

1220
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:41,280
different qualities like that and again

1221
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:44,400
this is beyond what i can explain

1222
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:45,599
but

1223
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:46,880
there's

1224
00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:52,079
of interactions

1225
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:54,880
where some seems technological and some

1226
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:56,160
seems like

1227
00:45:58,470 --> 00:45:57,520
spiritual

1228
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:58,480
um

1229
00:46:01,829 --> 00:45:59,599
and again

1230
00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:01,839
metaphysical spiritual however you want

1231
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:04,000
to you know phrase that

1232
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:05,839
um

1233
00:46:08,710 --> 00:46:07,119
you know even some of the stuff at

1234
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:08,720
skinwalker ranch there's probably a

1235
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:10,800
combination of stuff there

1236
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:12,160
where

1237
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:14,160
some of it may be technological and some

1238
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:15,359
of it

1239
00:46:20,309 --> 00:46:17,599
may be what we would consider spiritual

1240
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:20,319
or metaphysical

1241
00:46:25,109 --> 00:46:23,200
okay so and i mean how do you i mean how

1242
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:25,119
how do you distinguish between those two

1243
00:46:30,390 --> 00:46:27,760
so i guess i'm i think i struggle with

1244
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,400
the technology component of your answer

1245
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:32,240
like what

1246
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:33,599
how do you identify that it's

1247
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:36,319
technological and not spiritual or

1248
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:37,599
metaphysical

1249
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:39,760
well i mean this there's some

1250
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:42,400
interactions where there's there's a

1251
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:45,119
light but there's you can see a craft

1252
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:46,079
like a

1253
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:49,200
outline of a physical craft

1254
00:46:55,270 --> 00:46:53,200
and you know things like the tic tac

1255
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:55,280
have qualities that

1256
00:46:59,829 --> 00:46:57,680
i would consider

1257
00:47:01,990 --> 00:46:59,839
that technological

1258
00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:02,000
yeah i would consider them to have

1259
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:04,480
technological components where there's

1260
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:05,920
some things that

1261
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:08,319
you can encounter which there there

1262
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:10,640
seems to be no technological component

1263
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:12,960
that now that doesn't negate the fact

1264
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,560
that it's a form of technology that we

1265
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,079
just don't understand

1266
00:47:21,190 --> 00:47:18,480
but again um

1267
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:21,200
some paranormal things

1268
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:22,720
they they just don't seem to be

1269
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:24,400
technological in nature in the way that

1270
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,559
we understand it maybe against spiritual

1271
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:27,920
technology

1272
00:47:30,309 --> 00:47:28,960
um

1273
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:30,319
but not

1274
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:32,480
technological in the way that

1275
00:47:35,829 --> 00:47:33,440
we

1276
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:35,839
perceive it as using tools

1277
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:37,359
in that sense

1278
00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:39,359
okay um so to be able to distinguish

1279
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:41,680
between that i mean you literally just

1280
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,760
have to have a ton of

1281
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:45,599
experiences and compare them and

1282
00:47:50,470 --> 00:47:47,520
contrast them and give it your best

1283
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:50,480
guess got it so that again i don't think

1284
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,720
there's a hard science to that maybe

1285
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:54,000
somewhere there is a better

1286
00:47:58,870 --> 00:47:56,319
understanding where you know in

1287
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:58,880
classified programs they can determine

1288
00:48:02,470 --> 00:48:00,160
based on

1289
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:02,480
you know different signatures

1290
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:04,559
that something is

1291
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:06,400
technological and something's

1292
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:07,839
metaphysical

1293
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:09,760
you know they they were

1294
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:11,920
studying stuff at skinwalker ranch we

1295
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:13,280
we've never seen all the results of

1296
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:15,040
those studies we don't know what they

1297
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:16,640
garnered from that

1298
00:48:21,510 --> 00:48:19,440
um and that's just one you know asap was

1299
00:48:24,150 --> 00:48:21,520
one program

1300
00:48:26,870 --> 00:48:24,160
right ramirez was absolutely fascinating

1301
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:26,880
with your friend jay from project unity

1302
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:28,400
who is somebody i'm going to start to

1303
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:29,440
pursue

1304
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,599
but uh i listened to today um do you

1305
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:33,440
want to talk about johnny come lately

1306
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:34,800
this interview was probably like two

1307
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:37,200
months ago or whatever the hell it was

1308
00:48:40,710 --> 00:48:39,040
and i just listened i'm not even

1309
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:40,720
finished with it but

1310
00:48:45,750 --> 00:48:42,960
ramirez is fascinating and he is

1311
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:45,760
offering us in a window into things that

1312
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:47,280
heretofore

1313
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:49,200
i can't say we didn't have a window into

1314
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:50,880
some but because by virtue of the fact

1315
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:53,040
we have lou elizondo but now you're

1316
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:56,240
having a guy who's a gs 15 uh retired

1317
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,000
who's backing up a lot of the things

1318
00:49:02,549 --> 00:49:00,240
that lou said and expanding on other

1319
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:02,559
areas that lou hasn't really gone into

1320
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:04,720
and that guy's been authenticated i've

1321
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:06,000
talked to somebody

1322
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:08,640
in dod who who ran his social security

1323
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:11,359
number that he got from him and he's who

1324
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:12,720
he says he is

1325
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:14,319
yeah

1326
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:15,760
we're gonna bring in somebody else for

1327
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:18,240
you james uh we have steven greer's

1328
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:19,599
flair

1329
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:21,839
uh i would love to

1330
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:23,599
yeah

1331
00:49:29,910 --> 00:49:26,720
greer flair our our chief hubris show

1332
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:29,920
and humorous antagonist uh greece flair

1333
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:32,880
man james are you telling me

1334
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,760
here are you are you at uh vero beach

1335
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:37,440
florida over there

1336
00:49:42,549 --> 00:49:38,640
yeah

1337
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:46,020
that's right

1338
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:49,829
[Laughter]

1339
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:51,599
all right i got a question for you it's

1340
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:53,839
about it's about alien abduction since

1341
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:55,599
we're on that topic anyway

1342
00:49:59,190 --> 00:49:56,400
sure

1343
00:50:00,790 --> 00:49:59,200
so that um now that the mask mandates

1344
00:50:02,230 --> 00:50:00,800
are up you know

1345
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:02,240
they're they're they're going we got

1346
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:04,160
those mass mandates in do you think that

1347
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:06,640
might be abduct the aliens may be

1348
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:13,430
i don't know i can't presume

1349
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:15,440
to know uh alien intelligence do you

1350
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:17,119
think that that that's the reason for

1351
00:50:20,309 --> 00:50:18,960
the closure because the wrong people are

1352
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:20,319
getting taken

1353
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:21,760
and you know

1354
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:24,559
that's a big deal

1355
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:25,920
because they can't they can't tell who

1356
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,359
the real person is that you're saying

1357
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:29,119
right they can't tell the difference

1358
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:30,720
yeah they're like oh is that james no

1359
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:32,480
it's dj uh so

1360
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:34,160
this could just be causing a lot they're

1361
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:35,839
gonna go after exo academia and they're

1362
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:37,200
gonna get nathan

1363
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:40,400
it's a total chaos so you know what in

1364
00:50:43,910 --> 00:50:41,680
the actual

1365
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:43,920
you know we can consider them alien

1366
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:47,280
intelligence they they seem to have

1367
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:49,520
they could

1368
00:50:53,910 --> 00:50:51,839
know where you are i think

1369
00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:53,920
i can't wear a disguise like maybe it's

1370
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:56,000
a bed

1371
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:57,920
i think it may be like a you know a gray

1372
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:00,880
alien mask you know me

1373
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:02,319
yeah he's one thing even if you kill

1374
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:08,549
not too bad

1375
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:10,160
you look like one of them that you know

1376
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:11,760
we left behind

1377
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:13,599
charlie chocolate factory they're gonna

1378
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:14,880
find you anyways

1379
00:51:19,030 --> 00:51:17,200
you just die bomb this theory i mean

1380
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:19,040
james he thought that he could really

1381
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:20,640
disguise himself he doesn't want to do a

1382
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:22,480
travis walton he's going to be

1383
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:24,960
suffocating he's naked sure no we're

1384
00:51:27,910 --> 00:51:26,720
going to find out

1385
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:27,920
you know just

1386
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:30,559
put my mask on i'm ready

1387
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:32,160
i'm ready

1388
00:51:37,190 --> 00:51:34,319
i sleep with my you know my sticks i got

1389
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:37,200
i can bribe them got my lollipop

1390
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:39,680
yes you should have a dowry you know

1391
00:51:44,549 --> 00:51:42,640
actually i owe uh uh i owe andy

1392
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:44,559
mcgrillen a dowry for nathan but yeah

1393
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:46,400
you should definitely have some money in

1394
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:48,000
sort of a tray on the side of your bed

1395
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:49,599
because you never know i mean just like

1396
00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:51,359
the bitcoin yeah you never know when

1397
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:57,270
right

1398
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:59,440
i love it especially if you mistake with

1399
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,520
the nunchucks could be all of it right

1400
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:03,599
there oh yeah yeah

1401
00:52:06,950 --> 00:52:04,960
i don't know that might be why they

1402
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:06,960
don't take me i've hit myself so many

1403
00:52:13,820 --> 00:52:11,109
we would never have known that that that

1404
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:13,830
that's happened so yeah uh chris flair

1405
00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:16,480
[Laughter]

1406
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:18,160
careers flare do you have anything else

1407
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:19,680
before we get you out of here or throw

1408
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:21,200
you out of here

1409
00:52:25,510 --> 00:52:24,640
that's it i'm good that was my theory

1410
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:25,520
all right

1411
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:27,280
the mask is not going to prevent

1412
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:28,559
abduction

1413
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:30,880
no no okay all right

1414
00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:32,640
you

1415
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:41,040
incredible i loved it

1416
00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:43,119
i yeah james i had a very similar

1417
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:50,150
and also akashi said there's a couple

1418
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:52,079
questions from the audience akashi could

1419
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:53,760
you throw up the ones that you would

1420
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:01,190
or nathan yeah well i'll let her uh hunt

1421
00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:02,720
that down let me ask you a question

1422
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:05,920
james from for some recent uh take so i

1423
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:07,839
i know you've been keeping up with uh dr

1424
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:10,000
diana pasulka and uh that she's been

1425
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:11,119
coming back on the scene we're gonna

1426
00:53:15,430 --> 00:53:13,440
have her on the show on monday

1427
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:15,440
next week so looking forward to that

1428
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:18,319
chat with her um she recently commented

1429
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:21,760
about uh the collins elite and that um

1430
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:23,760
she didn't think that it was necessarily

1431
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:24,880
uh

1432
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:27,760
an actual thing but she was surprised to

1433
00:53:31,910 --> 00:53:30,160
find the number of people

1434
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:31,920
within uh

1435
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:34,000
you know the pentagon or you know the

1436
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:36,400
powerful circles who who are

1437
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:38,960
you know very devout religious uh

1438
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:40,000
christian

1439
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:43,119
believers um what is your take on that

1440
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:45,040
do you think that that um you know does

1441
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:47,440
that kind of add additional weight to

1442
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:51,520
this concept from elizondo that uh

1443
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:53,200
you know these folks are really pushing

1444
00:53:57,270 --> 00:53:55,520
hard back against studying this

1445
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:57,280
phenomena further how do you kind of

1446
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:00,559
hear that uh from her

1447
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:04,079
um i mean just i have to go based on my

1448
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:07,119
my own research and and what i found is

1449
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:09,359
that there are groups like that

1450
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:11,119
um

1451
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:14,000
and and and some of them are competing

1452
00:54:18,150 --> 00:54:16,400
so there's some that are just religious

1453
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:18,160
fundamentalists and there's some that

1454
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:18,960
are

1455
00:54:25,589 --> 00:54:21,839
religious fundamentalist eschatologists

1456
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:25,599
um and and and the the like legitimately

1457
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:28,319
not like oh kind of like sorta

1458
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:30,640
um and these stories go back and and

1459
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:33,599
people that have penetrated deep into

1460
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:35,040
this

1461
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:36,319
world

1462
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:37,680
um

1463
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:40,240
you know sometimes to their detriment

1464
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:43,200
um have encountered that and it's

1465
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:44,960
i don't i don't think that keeps coming

1466
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:46,079
up for

1467
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:48,079
no reason

1468
00:54:50,829 --> 00:54:50,000
um

1469
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:50,839
you know

1470
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:55,359
i don't know if he said it but his son

1471
00:54:59,670 --> 00:54:57,760
has ryan blood so on on the podcast is

1472
00:55:01,990 --> 00:54:59,680
very outspoken

1473
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:02,000
about um you know these different secret

1474
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:04,640
societies in the pentagon

1475
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:06,480
and um

1476
00:55:11,589 --> 00:55:09,280
i'm i'm convinced that they exist

1477
00:55:13,589 --> 00:55:11,599
they may not be

1478
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:13,599
in an organized matter where they're

1479
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:15,599
having meetings saying listen guys this

1480
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:18,319
is what they have we have to do but just

1481
00:55:21,510 --> 00:55:20,480
by them having those beliefs and acting

1482
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:21,520
on them

1483
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:22,480
um

1484
00:55:26,789 --> 00:55:25,280
and and trying to pursue their agendas

1485
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:26,799
and the beliefs that that might

1486
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:28,559
interfere with the process and if they

1487
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:30,960
have substantial power and influence

1488
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:32,160
that's gonna

1489
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:35,119
affect the results of of what's going on

1490
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:37,760
and i think that this these these people

1491
00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:39,839
have existed from the beginning

1492
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:43,119
of the entire disclosure process

1493
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:44,880
um

1494
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:48,000
again you go back and dr stephen griers

1495
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:49,680
is talking about the majestic 12 group

1496
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:51,760
but he's talking about

1497
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:53,920
um these eschatologists

1498
00:55:57,990 --> 00:55:56,319
that he encountered that that believe

1499
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:58,000
that they're going to bring forth the

1500
00:56:02,069 --> 00:56:00,480
second coming by

1501
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:02,079
doing what they're doing and partially

1502
00:56:04,870 --> 00:56:03,920
involved with this subject

1503
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,880
um

1504
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:06,480
so

1505
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:08,000
i i

1506
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:10,000
i think that there are legitimate groups

1507
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:11,200
like that i don't know how well

1508
00:56:14,710 --> 00:56:13,200
organized there are but they there seems

1509
00:56:19,910 --> 00:56:14,720
to be several groups like that that are

1510
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:21,510
well and i kind of think it's just a

1511
00:56:24,710 --> 00:56:22,880
free-for-all

1512
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:24,720
right um

1513
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:26,720
and um

1514
00:56:30,390 --> 00:56:28,960
again there's probably

1515
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:30,400
atheist groups

1516
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:31,920
i know

1517
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:32,799
yeah

1518
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:35,200
i've heard i've heard a lot of stories

1519
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:37,040
um

1520
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:38,559
and and based on the patterns of all

1521
00:56:42,430 --> 00:56:40,160
that i think that there's there are

1522
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:42,440
several groups like that that are

1523
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:45,440
competing um and i i'm sure that they

1524
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:47,760
want their narrative to win

1525
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:50,000
um so that's probably part of what's

1526
00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:52,079
going on too they you know you have the

1527
00:56:57,589 --> 00:56:54,400
competing narratives that are going to

1528
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:57,599
facilitate what they believe is

1529
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:59,040
what they believe is the right thing to

1530
00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:01,440
do because i don't think they're

1531
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:02,400
you know

1532
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:04,240
they're going out there i mean i think

1533
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:07,200
they actually literally believe

1534
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:08,799
um

1535
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:10,079
you know

1536
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:11,520
some of these things and and they're

1537
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:13,280
acting on that and

1538
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:15,599
you know if

1539
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:17,359
that might not always be in our best

1540
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:19,760
interest right i mean we're they're they

1541
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,160
could be making decisions that influence

1542
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:24,400
us all based on some kind of ideas we

1543
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:27,359
would consider wacky or un unfounded

1544
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:28,400
yeah

1545
00:57:32,470 --> 00:57:30,160
i'd actually like to get nathan i'd like

1546
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:32,480
to get your take uh if you're surprised

1547
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:34,559
and and in addition to that what what's

1548
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:35,920
your take on it kind of just like what

1549
00:57:38,870 --> 00:57:37,359
you asked james

1550
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:38,880
yeah so i

1551
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:41,040
i think it's understandable how it how

1552
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:42,799
it's an ideology that took hold so if

1553
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:44,160
you think about when

1554
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:46,319
uh the phenomenon started to really be

1555
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:48,640
encountered by the government at least

1556
00:57:51,750 --> 00:57:50,079
the accounts that we're most familiar

1557
00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:51,760
with after you know after we started

1558
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:54,079
testing the nukes and and roswell of

1559
00:57:57,829 --> 00:57:55,920
course comes to mind you know that was a

1560
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:57,839
time period in our country's history

1561
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:00,799
when uh christianity was you know so

1562
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:02,640
widely held like it was a very deeply

1563
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:05,119
held belief uh within you know the

1564
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:07,040
majority of the country people most

1565
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:08,960
people went to church most people grew

1566
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:10,559
up in a church now there were different

1567
00:58:14,710 --> 00:58:12,559
denominational beliefs but the the kind

1568
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:14,720
of fabric of society was very christian

1569
00:58:17,349 --> 00:58:15,920
in nature

1570
00:58:19,750 --> 00:58:17,359
so encountering

1571
00:58:21,910 --> 00:58:19,760
a downed craft or beings you know you're

1572
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:21,920
going to view that entire

1573
00:58:26,069 --> 00:58:24,960
encounter through that kind of religious

1574
00:58:27,910 --> 00:58:26,079
lens

1575
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:27,920
i guess what surprises me about that is

1576
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:30,480
that um that was a long time ago so you

1577
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:33,119
know as time has moved on

1578
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:35,200
since then there surely have been

1579
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:37,599
different actors and players involved

1580
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:39,440
with the phenomenon who

1581
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:41,040
are bringing their own

1582
00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:43,280
sort of new religious or non-religious

1583
00:58:47,270 --> 00:58:45,920
perspectives to play uh as they interact

1584
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:47,280
with whatever this happens to be and

1585
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:48,720
james you know you just hinted at that

1586
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:50,960
there could be very very much competing

1587
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:53,200
factions within the government of those

1588
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:55,040
who have access those who

1589
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:56,799
buy into this uh sort of end of the

1590
00:59:01,109 --> 00:58:57,680
world

1591
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:01,119
uh cult if you will and those uh who who

1592
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:03,440
are pursuing it purely on sort of

1593
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:05,280
scientific grounds and merit you know

1594
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:07,119
and you kind of see that that faction

1595
00:59:11,190 --> 00:59:09,440
represented really well through the

1596
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:11,200
galileo project and i think quite

1597
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:13,200
frankly through what lou and chris are

1598
00:59:18,549 --> 00:59:16,480
advocating for an open transparent study

1599
00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:18,559
of whatever this happens to be kind of

1600
00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:20,240
reducing the stove piping that has

1601
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:22,000
occurred and just sharing information so

1602
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:24,559
we can we can master this or get on top

1603
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:26,880
of this before our adversaries might be

1604
00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:29,359
able to do so um

1605
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:31,599
as far as the ideology itself and i want

1606
00:59:35,190 --> 00:59:33,440
to talk to that for a second the end of

1607
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:35,200
the world you know sort of when he says

1608
00:59:38,710 --> 00:59:37,440
eschatology we're talking about is it's

1609
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:38,720
the study of the end of the world

1610
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:40,079
basically

1611
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:41,520
and uh

1612
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:43,440
in in the book of revelation and in the

1613
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:45,280
bible you know the christians throughout

1614
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,200
throughout history have read that book

1615
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:49,680
and have kind of tried to extract

1616
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:51,440
extract from that book

1617
00:59:57,270 --> 00:59:55,440
uh you know meaning or prophecies or uh

1618
00:59:59,589 --> 00:59:57,280
you know sort of breadcrumbs that that

1619
01:00:02,390 --> 00:59:59,599
they can overlay on their own time and

1620
01:00:04,549 --> 01:00:02,400
say this we're actually living in the

1621
01:00:06,710 --> 01:00:04,559
end time that this book

1622
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:06,720
is speaking about so uh you know the

1623
01:00:11,349 --> 01:00:09,760
return of christ is is near

1624
01:00:13,109 --> 01:00:11,359
the end of the world is near and and

1625
01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:13,119
we're living in that actual time now

1626
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:14,799
there are lots of different flavors of

1627
01:00:17,589 --> 01:00:15,680
this

1628
01:00:19,510 --> 01:00:17,599
belief and i won't go into all of those

1629
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:19,520
but the the short of it is if if they

1630
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:21,599
kind of hold this world view

1631
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:22,880
and if they've interacted with the

1632
01:00:26,230 --> 01:00:25,280
phenomenon and and what it purportedly

1633
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:26,240
can do

1634
01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:27,680
then i think they're

1635
01:00:31,589 --> 01:00:29,520
they're taking

1636
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:31,599
these concepts and saying we actually

1637
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:33,440
now have the tools

1638
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:37,040
and the signs to be able to accelerate

1639
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:39,680
the return that is heralded in the book

1640
01:00:43,910 --> 01:00:42,240
of revelation so they want to be able to

1641
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:43,920
do that it's a very

1642
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:45,599
when you kind of step back from that

1643
01:00:49,349 --> 01:00:46,880
it's a very

1644
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:49,359
seductive and powerful kind of narrative

1645
01:00:53,990 --> 01:00:51,359
so those in my opinion who

1646
01:00:55,990 --> 01:00:54,000
have latched on to this way of thinking

1647
01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:56,000
it's a bit of a power trip to think that

1648
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:57,680
like they can

1649
01:01:03,670 --> 01:01:00,960
uh kind of hold the reins on this thing

1650
01:01:07,510 --> 01:01:03,680
and bring about usher in the end of the

1651
01:01:09,030 --> 01:01:07,520
world as as prophesied in this book um i

1652
01:01:13,829 --> 01:01:09,040
think it's

1653
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:13,839
very very shallow i mean and i say that

1654
01:01:18,150 --> 01:01:16,240
because every generation has basically

1655
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:18,160
had its prophets or it's uh its

1656
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:19,599
interpreters who've looked at that book

1657
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:21,520
and done the exact same thing you know

1658
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:22,799
they looked at that book and said oh you

1659
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:24,960
know the 1800s you know oh this is this

1660
01:01:28,950 --> 01:01:27,200
is you know abraham lincoln is the

1661
01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:28,960
antichrist and like this is all going to

1662
01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:30,880
be over after such and such so this has

1663
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:32,400
happened over and over and over again

1664
01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:34,240
and any student of history who looks at

1665
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:36,640
that will tell you like that it's never

1666
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:39,119
actually come to fruition and so i you

1667
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:40,880
know i i look at that and look at that

1668
01:01:47,589 --> 01:01:42,000
repetiti

1669
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:47,599
there's not a lot to uh taking that

1670
01:01:51,829 --> 01:01:49,520
particular position but i guess when it

1671
01:01:55,029 --> 01:01:51,839
comes to this one topic you only have to

1672
01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:55,039
be right once right so you only yeah you

1673
01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:57,039
know the end of the world will in fact

1674
01:02:01,750 --> 01:01:59,760
happen at some point uh at least in a

1675
01:02:03,190 --> 01:02:01,760
cosmological sense we know that the end

1676
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:03,200
of our you know

1677
01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:05,520
our own galaxy is gonna you know end at

1678
01:02:09,670 --> 01:02:08,000
some point so it will happen one day you

1679
01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:09,680
know how close are we to that that

1680
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:12,079
moment i i don't know but it does bother

1681
01:02:15,430 --> 01:02:13,200
me

1682
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:15,440
that there are those in power and

1683
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:18,000
positions of influence who seem to have

1684
01:02:22,549 --> 01:02:20,160
adopted that belief system for two

1685
01:02:25,829 --> 01:02:22,559
reasons one they're either deluded

1686
01:02:27,829 --> 01:02:25,839
and and and are ill-informed and just

1687
01:02:29,430 --> 01:02:27,839
you know laying their own theological

1688
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:29,440
preconceptions onto whatever this

1689
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:31,200
happens to be

1690
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:33,760
or and this is the worst the worst one

1691
01:02:38,230 --> 01:02:35,440
or they actually have enough knowledge

1692
01:02:41,029 --> 01:02:38,240
about something that we don't have

1693
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:41,039
it brings actual credibility to what to

1694
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:42,799
to to to buttressing their their

1695
01:02:48,069 --> 01:02:45,839
theology and on that point i'm actually

1696
01:02:49,910 --> 01:02:48,079
that that really concerns me when i hear

1697
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:49,920
things from diana pasulka where she's

1698
01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:50,720
saying

1699
01:02:55,109 --> 01:02:52,880
you know there she encounters a lot of

1700
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:55,119
people who become more fervently

1701
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:56,880
religious after they've

1702
01:03:01,109 --> 01:02:59,200
studied this uh you know

1703
01:03:02,470 --> 01:03:01,119
tyler she mentioned today you know and

1704
01:03:05,109 --> 01:03:02,480
she mentioned in her book american

1705
01:03:07,829 --> 01:03:05,119
cosmic uh and she talks about tyler who

1706
01:03:11,109 --> 01:03:07,839
we all know is as somebody else but

1707
01:03:13,589 --> 01:03:11,119
he converted to catholicism uh after uh

1708
01:03:15,510 --> 01:03:13,599
traveling with her to the vatican uh and

1709
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:15,520
he's you know supposedly been very

1710
01:03:19,589 --> 01:03:18,000
closely connected to the phenomenon so

1711
01:03:21,029 --> 01:03:19,599
that those things are a little troubling

1712
01:03:22,630 --> 01:03:21,039
to me that

1713
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:22,640
uh that there you know there really

1714
01:03:26,789 --> 01:03:24,480
might be some meat there there could be

1715
01:03:28,710 --> 01:03:26,799
a there there in other words well it and

1716
01:03:30,630 --> 01:03:28,720
so we talked about is that you re a lot

1717
01:03:33,510 --> 01:03:30,640
of people will reevaluate their life

1718
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:33,520
after some sort of a close contact and

1719
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:36,240
my boss my ex-boss in the position

1720
01:03:40,069 --> 01:03:38,240
before now is a very very devoutly

1721
01:03:41,510 --> 01:03:40,079
catholic man but he's also a very

1722
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:41,520
scientific man

1723
01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:44,640
uh as well and he told me uh at the

1724
01:03:49,349 --> 01:03:46,559
outset when i told him i was interested

1725
01:03:51,750 --> 01:03:49,359
in in delving into this topic uh with my

1726
01:03:53,670 --> 01:03:51,760
show and all that which we start doing

1727
01:03:55,510 --> 01:03:53,680
he said people that are religious are

1728
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:55,520
gonna have an issue with this as far as

1729
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:57,839
the pentagon is concerned i don't i know

1730
01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:59,440
guys and gals that have worked there

1731
01:04:03,430 --> 01:04:00,880
i've never worked there

1732
01:04:05,190 --> 01:04:03,440
but i would imagine that if there were a

1733
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:05,200
vocal majority it would be the religious

1734
01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:07,680
one it would not be the anti-religious

1735
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:09,359
one that would be a vocal

1736
01:04:13,029 --> 01:04:10,400
or a

1737
01:04:14,789 --> 01:04:13,039
majority it's just not uh something that

1738
01:04:16,870 --> 01:04:14,799
would win you friends

1739
01:04:18,549 --> 01:04:16,880
in an organization like that well i did

1740
01:04:21,109 --> 01:04:18,559
want to ask you that question dj so in

1741
01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:21,119
your experience within the air force and

1742
01:04:25,029 --> 01:04:23,680
the military generally i mean i'm under

1743
01:04:26,950 --> 01:04:25,039
the impression that

1744
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:26,960
you know kind of uh the christian world

1745
01:04:30,549 --> 01:04:28,480
view is kind of the predominant world

1746
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:30,559
view within people who are in the

1747
01:04:35,270 --> 01:04:33,200
military just broadly but is that kind

1748
01:04:36,870 --> 01:04:35,280
of is that one is that a true is that a

1749
01:04:39,829 --> 01:04:36,880
valid assumption and two is it is it

1750
01:04:42,069 --> 01:04:39,839
overt like is it is it pretty prevalent

1751
01:04:43,430 --> 01:04:42,079
within the culture that in the in the

1752
01:04:45,990 --> 01:04:43,440
military

1753
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:46,000
i would say generally yes but i also

1754
01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:48,799
have to uh suffix that with

1755
01:04:53,990 --> 01:04:51,520
the fact that most of the the last

1756
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:54,000
decade plus of my career was in air

1757
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:56,000
force special operations and that was

1758
01:04:59,510 --> 01:04:57,200
very white

1759
01:05:00,630 --> 01:04:59,520
very christian very conservative those

1760
01:05:02,630 --> 01:05:00,640
three things

1761
01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:02,640
and if you were outside of that norm

1762
01:05:05,670 --> 01:05:04,960
then you were sort of an outlier

1763
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:05,680
so

1764
01:05:10,950 --> 01:05:09,200
i was ascribing though what you said as

1765
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:10,960
kind of my experience a little bit and

1766
01:05:14,630 --> 01:05:12,960
trying to project that that i could

1767
01:05:16,630 --> 01:05:14,640
envision the pentagon being like that

1768
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:16,640
but that might also not be

1769
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:18,240
be accurate uh but yeah they were the

1770
01:05:23,109 --> 01:05:21,200
vocal majority and uh if you weren't

1771
01:05:25,990 --> 01:05:23,119
some of that then you were the not very

1772
01:05:28,630 --> 01:05:26,000
vocal minority okay but uh let's bring

1773
01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:28,640
on so we got a uh a uh question for

1774
01:05:32,789 --> 01:05:30,640
james we'll do what i'd like to do is

1775
01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:32,799
this is from my brother stuart mullins

1776
01:05:38,230 --> 01:05:35,440
uh chris's husband my new friend

1777
01:05:41,430 --> 01:05:38,240
and uh what we'd like to do is do a c5

1778
01:05:43,109 --> 01:05:41,440
question but james i would feel uh that

1779
01:05:44,950 --> 01:05:43,119
we didn't do it justice if we didn't

1780
01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:44,960
really get into what your experiences

1781
01:05:48,950 --> 01:05:47,440
have been so after this one i'd like to

1782
01:05:51,750 --> 01:05:48,960
go there but please let's entertain

1783
01:05:53,829 --> 01:05:51,760
stuart's question

1784
01:05:55,829 --> 01:05:53,839
yeah so i'll ask it if you want uh

1785
01:05:58,630 --> 01:05:55,839
questions

1786
01:06:02,069 --> 01:05:58,640
yeah yeah not a problem at all so uh

1787
01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:02,079
what role does locale location play in

1788
01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:04,480
c5 does the distance from

1789
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:06,799
a city or lights or people make a big

1790
01:06:11,510 --> 01:06:07,920
difference

1791
01:06:16,829 --> 01:06:14,309
generally speaking i would

1792
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:16,839
encourage that

1793
01:06:22,870 --> 01:06:20,160
people get into

1794
01:06:25,510 --> 01:06:22,880
uh you know what wherever is going to be

1795
01:06:26,549 --> 01:06:25,520
easiest for them to just do it right

1796
01:06:29,190 --> 01:06:26,559
um

1797
01:06:32,549 --> 01:06:29,200
you know don't make it where like you

1798
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:32,559
you you feel like oh i have to wait

1799
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:34,400
you know next month when i can get out

1800
01:06:39,910 --> 01:06:36,240
to this you know

1801
01:06:41,349 --> 01:06:39,920
quiet location to do it um i've had

1802
01:06:43,270 --> 01:06:41,359
experiences in the middle of new york

1803
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:43,280
city in midtown manhattan

1804
01:06:48,150 --> 01:06:45,680
uh that were profound

1805
01:06:49,029 --> 01:06:48,160
on several occasions

1806
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:49,039
so

1807
01:06:53,910 --> 01:06:51,520
i mean it doesn't you know

1808
01:06:55,670 --> 01:06:53,920
you know if you're in l.a and sky is

1809
01:06:57,190 --> 01:06:55,680
really hazy there's still people over

1810
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:57,200
there doing some

1811
01:07:01,430 --> 01:06:59,359
you know the um

1812
01:07:03,670 --> 01:07:01,440
this is the ufo summoners i believe

1813
01:07:05,270 --> 01:07:03,680
george knapp had them on they're out

1814
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:05,280
over there in california and even in

1815
01:07:08,309 --> 01:07:06,880
those hazy skies they're having great

1816
01:07:09,910 --> 01:07:08,319
experiences

1817
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:09,920
so

1818
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:12,480
while it does play a role i don't make

1819
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:14,640
that an excuse for yourself and don't

1820
01:07:18,630 --> 01:07:16,880
make that a priority

1821
01:07:20,309 --> 01:07:18,640
uh unless you're going out and you're

1822
01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:20,319
doing like a you know

1823
01:07:25,109 --> 01:07:23,119
it if you're doing a field work

1824
01:07:27,829 --> 01:07:25,119
investigation you're going to collect

1825
01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:27,839
data you're going to set up some cameras

1826
01:07:33,430 --> 01:07:30,400
yeah get into a location where that's

1827
01:07:35,109 --> 01:07:33,440
going to you know be ideal but if you're

1828
01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:35,119
just trying to do it to see if it works

1829
01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:37,119
or you're just to do it as a

1830
01:07:40,870 --> 01:07:38,880
you know something that you're trying to

1831
01:07:42,630 --> 01:07:40,880
learn or practice or

1832
01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:42,640
even do on a regular basis don't let

1833
01:07:46,230 --> 01:07:44,240
that hold you back

1834
01:07:48,069 --> 01:07:46,240
um

1835
01:07:49,829 --> 01:07:48,079
so

1836
01:07:52,309 --> 01:07:49,839
james like even like a burned-out

1837
01:07:53,109 --> 01:07:52,319
building in the the south bronx you know

1838
01:07:54,870 --> 01:07:53,119
with

1839
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:54,880
people doing crack all around you that

1840
01:07:59,190 --> 01:07:57,599
would still be an appropriate place

1841
01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:59,200
you could still do it there and it will

1842
01:08:01,750 --> 01:08:00,720
still work yeah

1843
01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:01,760
i mean

1844
01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:04,240
again um i'm just kidding

1845
01:08:07,029 --> 01:08:05,440
no but

1846
01:08:09,910 --> 01:08:07,039
really i'm thinking new jack city you

1847
01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:09,920
know that kind of stuff yeah i mean

1848
01:08:14,549 --> 01:08:12,480
again the part the bigger part of that

1849
01:08:16,789 --> 01:08:14,559
is how that that

1850
01:08:18,149 --> 01:08:16,799
uh environment affects you

1851
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:18,159
yeah mostly

1852
01:08:22,829 --> 01:08:20,080
rather than oh the phenomenon is not

1853
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:22,839
going to come here and interact because

1854
01:08:27,749 --> 01:08:25,520
um you know i

1855
01:08:30,229 --> 01:08:27,759
i can't say i i know their psychology

1856
01:08:33,269 --> 01:08:30,239
but i don't know how judgmental they are

1857
01:08:34,309 --> 01:08:33,279
uh although like again if some sometimes

1858
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:34,319
um

1859
01:08:37,430 --> 01:08:35,759
if you have like a camera and you're

1860
01:08:39,510 --> 01:08:37,440
just like waiting like oh i'm going to

1861
01:08:41,269 --> 01:08:39,520
take a picture of this interaction it's

1862
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:41,279
going to totally mess up your mojo

1863
01:08:46,470 --> 01:08:43,440
what's happening yeah um

1864
01:08:48,950 --> 01:08:46,480
it's i mean again and and we you have to

1865
01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:48,960
come to question of is that part of your

1866
01:08:54,309 --> 01:08:52,000
own mind where that is

1867
01:08:56,550 --> 01:08:54,319
that's your intention and your priority

1868
01:08:58,550 --> 01:08:56,560
and it's interacting with the actual

1869
01:08:59,829 --> 01:08:58,560
experience of just being there with no

1870
01:09:01,110 --> 01:08:59,839
expectation

1871
01:09:03,269 --> 01:09:01,120
and um

1872
01:09:04,630 --> 01:09:03,279
being involved in the process

1873
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:04,640
rather than like you know you're

1874
01:09:08,229 --> 01:09:06,480
thinking you're waiting and that kind of

1875
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:08,239
thing is a distraction

1876
01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:10,799
so there's there's a few parts of that

1877
01:09:14,630 --> 01:09:13,040
um equation are there places that can

1878
01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:14,640
magnify the experience though like are

1879
01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:16,560
there places in the world that you think

1880
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:19,120
have sedona baby yeah

1881
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:21,120
yeah i mean

1882
01:09:25,829 --> 01:09:23,759
yeah so that that's

1883
01:09:27,910 --> 01:09:25,839
that is i think that's something that's

1884
01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:27,920
true where there's locations where

1885
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:29,120
there's higher

1886
01:09:33,749 --> 01:09:32,560
contact but um

1887
01:09:36,470 --> 01:09:33,759
i don't want to phrase this the wrong

1888
01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:36,480
way but just as important location is

1889
01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:38,960
there's there's certain people that just

1890
01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:41,120
they have an affinity to the contact

1891
01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:41,920
where

1892
01:09:47,110 --> 01:09:45,600
were with chris bledsoe

1893
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:47,120
you might experience something kind of

1894
01:09:50,550 --> 01:09:48,799
thing and i'm not even kidding about

1895
01:09:52,390 --> 01:09:50,560
that you know again

1896
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:52,400
uh steven greer

1897
01:09:58,149 --> 01:09:55,440
um in the early days i can't say much

1898
01:10:00,390 --> 01:09:58,159
for now but in the early 90s

1899
01:10:03,110 --> 01:10:00,400
you know and i know people that were

1900
01:10:04,630 --> 01:10:03,120
with him in many occasions they he was a

1901
01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:04,640
ufo magnet

1902
01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:07,280
um where and you're talking you know not

1903
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:10,000
just orbs of light sometimes what seemed

1904
01:10:14,470 --> 01:10:12,000
to be physical

1905
01:10:16,630 --> 01:10:14,480
spacecrafts for lack of a better word

1906
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:16,640
um always seemed to be around wherever

1907
01:10:19,750 --> 01:10:17,920
he was or

1908
01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:19,760
or when you went to hang out with them

1909
01:10:24,229 --> 01:10:21,360
when you went back home

1910
01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:24,239
there'd be residual psychic effects um

1911
01:10:28,709 --> 01:10:27,199
both with the ufo phenomenon and

1912
01:10:30,310 --> 01:10:28,719
you know individual subjective

1913
01:10:32,709 --> 01:10:30,320
experience

1914
01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:32,719
so those those kind of things exist

1915
01:10:37,830 --> 01:10:36,159
so location uh yeah is one thing

1916
01:10:40,470 --> 01:10:37,840
uh people are another

1917
01:10:43,510 --> 01:10:40,480
um but i more importantly for everybody

1918
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:43,520
listening your own conditioning is is

1919
01:10:48,149 --> 01:10:46,000
going to be your main concern priority

1920
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:48,159
so it's not the three l's of real estate

1921
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:49,679
it's just one l

1922
01:10:53,590 --> 01:10:51,840
out of other other elements let's talk

1923
01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:53,600
about your experiences james because i

1924
01:10:56,790 --> 01:10:55,280
want to get i want to get down to the

1925
01:10:59,910 --> 01:10:56,800
nitty-gritty when i have that much time

1926
01:11:02,070 --> 01:10:59,920
with you so uh we got about 19 minutes

1927
01:11:04,630 --> 01:11:02,080
so um my brother

1928
01:11:06,310 --> 01:11:04,640
tell us what went down man

1929
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:06,320
well i mean do you have any specific

1930
01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:07,440
questions you want me to go through the

1931
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:08,960
whole because i've told i've told the

1932
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:11,040
story a few times i mean if you want to

1933
01:11:14,390 --> 01:11:12,719
just hear on your channel i can tell you

1934
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:14,400
the story in in kind of like a

1935
01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:16,159
chronological order or if you have

1936
01:11:20,149 --> 01:11:18,560
specific questions that's fine no i i

1937
01:11:21,910 --> 01:11:20,159
mean just sort of uh

1938
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:21,920
even one anecdote right like one that

1939
01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:23,440
really stuck with you the most you know

1940
01:11:26,709 --> 01:11:25,040
maybe that

1941
01:11:29,990 --> 01:11:26,719
um

1942
01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:30,000
there's again it's yeah it's not just

1943
01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:31,920
well it's not and and again i've i've

1944
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:34,719
told stories of all these different um

1945
01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:36,000
encounters that are kind of like the

1946
01:11:42,149 --> 01:11:38,239
highlights but you know

1947
01:11:44,310 --> 01:11:42,159
i've been doing contact work for for

1948
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:44,320
this whole time so i've i've

1949
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:46,320
had hundreds if not in the thousands of

1950
01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:49,120
encounters by now incredible um wow you

1951
01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:50,800
know

1952
01:11:55,110 --> 01:11:52,400
yeah literally and i'm not i'm not

1953
01:11:56,470 --> 01:11:55,120
exaggerating and i i don't i don't

1954
01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:56,480
generally

1955
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:59,040
speak like that because it you know it's

1956
01:12:03,750 --> 01:12:01,440
kind of it comes off the wrong way but

1957
01:12:05,110 --> 01:12:03,760
it's just as a matter of fact

1958
01:12:06,630 --> 01:12:05,120
um

1959
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:06,640
you know there's and i'm not the only

1960
01:12:09,830 --> 01:12:07,679
one there's

1961
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:09,840
again chris bledsoe is always out there

1962
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:11,760
having encounters so

1963
01:12:16,709 --> 01:12:13,840
it there's there's plenty of people that

1964
01:12:18,229 --> 01:12:16,719
are are having regular encounters right

1965
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:18,239
um

1966
01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:20,400
so did you uh when the when the book

1967
01:12:25,270 --> 01:12:22,800
came out the skinwalkers at the pentagon

1968
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:25,280
and it it proposed this hitchhiker or

1969
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:27,840
contagion hypothesis wow have you

1970
01:12:31,110 --> 01:12:29,600
experienced that at all or anyone close

1971
01:12:32,790 --> 01:12:31,120
to you experienced that at all after the

1972
01:12:34,470 --> 01:12:32,800
experiences that you you've had

1973
01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:34,480
has there been some kind of

1974
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:37,120
you know contact effect

1975
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:39,120
yeah after effects are a major part of

1976
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:42,000
the ufo phenomenon but um

1977
01:12:46,149 --> 01:12:44,159
and i i know what diana was talking

1978
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:46,159
about too when she was recently speaking

1979
01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:47,760
about it she knows scientists that

1980
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:48,880
studied

1981
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:50,880
that and so do i

1982
01:12:55,510 --> 01:12:53,600
and there were real effects that were in

1983
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:55,520
some cases very negative

1984
01:12:59,669 --> 01:12:58,640
uh but again as just as i mentioned um

1985
01:13:01,430 --> 01:12:59,679
you know

1986
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:01,440
there's also

1987
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:04,480
the same effect but positive right um

1988
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:07,040
and again i you know i know

1989
01:13:10,149 --> 01:13:08,880
uh nathan you have like a religious

1990
01:13:11,669 --> 01:13:10,159
background

1991
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:11,679
um

1992
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:13,679
you can even go into something like

1993
01:13:15,910 --> 01:13:15,120
shaktipat

1994
01:13:17,510 --> 01:13:15,920
or

1995
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:17,520
transmission

1996
01:13:22,709 --> 01:13:19,440
and those kind of things and that's

1997
01:13:25,430 --> 01:13:22,719
similar phenomenon um and again i don't

1998
01:13:27,590 --> 01:13:25,440
like the idea of so much of of gurus and

1999
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:27,600
and and that kind of thing but

2000
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:29,040
you know there is a thing again i

2001
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:30,719
mentioned with steven greer there are

2002
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:33,120
people that would encounter him and hang

2003
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:34,560
out with him for a while and go out and

2004
01:13:38,950 --> 01:13:36,560
do some cd5 with him and then go back

2005
01:13:41,350 --> 01:13:38,960
and there would be residual effects for

2006
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:41,360
a while same with dorothy zach same

2007
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:43,520
thing was reported people would come by

2008
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:46,000
and visit her and then come back to

2009
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:48,000
their homes and have

2010
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:51,760
spiritual experiences ufo encounters

2011
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:54,719
so in that regard the hitchhiker thing

2012
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:55,760
uh

2013
01:14:01,189 --> 01:13:58,560
there there's it's not just negative

2014
01:14:03,669 --> 01:14:01,199
like that they reported from skinwalker

2015
01:14:06,070 --> 01:14:03,679
um and i i believe what they reported

2016
01:14:08,229 --> 01:14:06,080
was true i don't think that they're

2017
01:14:10,790 --> 01:14:08,239
um they're just trying to spin it in a

2018
01:14:12,790 --> 01:14:10,800
negative way i know people that did the

2019
01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:12,800
science there and those things that they

2020
01:14:16,470 --> 01:14:15,280
said did happen

2021
01:14:18,310 --> 01:14:16,480
um so

2022
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:18,320
that they're not trying to just spin

2023
01:14:22,310 --> 01:14:20,800
that in a way for a kind of agenda what

2024
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:22,320
they said happened

2025
01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:23,600
uh and it's

2026
01:14:27,669 --> 01:14:25,920
it's it's true but um what isn't

2027
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:27,679
highlighted there is what they didn't

2028
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:28,880
experience

2029
01:14:35,350 --> 01:14:31,440
um at least over there was that there's

2030
01:14:37,590 --> 01:14:35,360
there's the same thing where you can

2031
01:14:38,790 --> 01:14:37,600
have a healing experience from the ufo

2032
01:14:40,950 --> 01:14:38,800
phenomenon

2033
01:14:43,350 --> 01:14:40,960
you know and there that's a residual or

2034
01:14:44,950 --> 01:14:43,360
after effect right so

2035
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:44,960
there's that's a that's part of a much

2036
01:14:49,270 --> 01:14:46,880
bigger conversation and the hitchhiker's

2037
01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:49,280
thing is just the beginning of that

2038
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:50,480
conversation

2039
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:52,560
right

2040
01:14:56,149 --> 01:14:54,000
looking back through

2041
01:14:58,630 --> 01:14:56,159
history of different religions and and

2042
01:15:01,510 --> 01:14:58,640
kind of how religions have spun out

2043
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:01,520
um from experience you know that is

2044
01:15:05,189 --> 01:15:03,600
very similar in many ways to experiences

2045
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:05,199
that we're hearing about with the

2046
01:15:09,350 --> 01:15:06,560
phenomenon

2047
01:15:11,990 --> 01:15:09,360
uh does it strike you that there

2048
01:15:14,310 --> 01:15:12,000
there seems to be a kind of uh

2049
01:15:15,990 --> 01:15:14,320
like recursive selection happening like

2050
01:15:17,590 --> 01:15:16,000
like it's not like everyone's having

2051
01:15:19,510 --> 01:15:17,600
this experience you know it's it's not

2052
01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:19,520
that ever and and people who may

2053
01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:21,040
genuinely want to have an experience i

2054
01:15:24,310 --> 01:15:22,320
mean there are millions of people around

2055
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:24,320
the world who consider themselves to be

2056
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:27,120
devout believers of xyz

2057
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:28,320
and i don't

2058
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:30,719
think that most of them are having you

2059
01:15:33,750 --> 01:15:32,400
know kind of similar experiences but

2060
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:33,760
there are those

2061
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:35,840
within those pockets of belief who have

2062
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:38,400
very profound significant dramatic

2063
01:15:41,669 --> 01:15:39,760
experiences

2064
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:41,679
that end up

2065
01:15:45,110 --> 01:15:44,239
kind of creating or spinning out sort of

2066
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:45,120
new

2067
01:15:51,510 --> 01:15:49,679
ways of trying to recreate the

2068
01:15:52,470 --> 01:15:51,520
experience that they're

2069
01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:52,480
particular

2070
01:15:56,870 --> 01:15:54,800
leader or prophet or whatever uh

2071
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:56,880
explained or tried to explain to their

2072
01:16:01,270 --> 01:15:59,920
followers it almost seems as if we're in

2073
01:16:03,910 --> 01:16:01,280
a

2074
01:16:05,910 --> 01:16:03,920
uh

2075
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:05,920
sphere of information that is like

2076
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:07,840
selecting people

2077
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:10,320
throughout history to be representatives

2078
01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:12,640
or or contact experiencers and then the

2079
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:14,480
rest of us are kind of latching on to

2080
01:16:17,830 --> 01:16:15,440
these

2081
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:17,840
nodes of of interaction and then we're

2082
01:16:21,669 --> 01:16:19,920
building stuff around them like we're

2083
01:16:23,430 --> 01:16:21,679
we're kind of elevating that one thing

2084
01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:23,440
that they had and trying to build

2085
01:16:27,189 --> 01:16:25,600
structure and systems and you know

2086
01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:27,199
organizations around them things that we

2087
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:30,400
now call religion uh or other uh other

2088
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:32,560
systems what do you think about that uh

2089
01:16:37,110 --> 01:16:35,440
take on it oh man

2090
01:16:45,430 --> 01:16:37,120
um

2091
01:16:47,669 --> 01:16:45,440
yeah i mean i i think that

2092
01:16:49,669 --> 01:16:47,679
that everybody

2093
01:16:52,390 --> 01:16:49,679
has the potential if they want to to

2094
01:16:54,149 --> 01:16:52,400
have those kind of experiences um but i

2095
01:16:55,669 --> 01:16:54,159
take issue with that i mean and i don't

2096
01:16:57,750 --> 01:16:55,679
mean to be you know i'm not trying to

2097
01:16:58,870 --> 01:16:57,760
push back in a negative way but i come

2098
01:17:00,070 --> 01:16:58,880
from a very

2099
01:17:01,510 --> 01:17:00,080
you know i come from a background that

2100
01:17:04,390 --> 01:17:01,520
is religious i'm not religious anymore

2101
01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:04,400
but you know when i hear uh bledsoe ryan

2102
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:05,920
bled let's so talk about you know his

2103
01:17:10,149 --> 01:17:08,000
dad and his dad's experiences and

2104
01:17:12,390 --> 01:17:10,159
it comes across as like you know you

2105
01:17:15,430 --> 01:17:12,400
just have to you just have to believe at

2106
01:17:16,950 --> 01:17:15,440
x y z you just have to do x y z and then

2107
01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:16,960
you're going to have an experience it's

2108
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:18,640
very formulaic

2109
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:21,280
and that is not true i don't i really

2110
01:17:26,149 --> 01:17:23,280
don't believe that to be true because

2111
01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:26,159
he's he's explaining his experience and

2112
01:17:28,950 --> 01:17:28,000
process right right so what

2113
01:17:31,990 --> 01:17:28,960
my

2114
01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:32,000
process or you know

2115
01:17:36,470 --> 01:17:34,320
dj's process is going to be

2116
01:17:37,270 --> 01:17:36,480
completely different um

2117
01:17:38,870 --> 01:17:37,280
they've

2118
01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:38,880
some of these people have found it you

2119
01:17:42,630 --> 01:17:40,800
know dorothy is at

2120
01:17:45,189 --> 01:17:42,640
um

2121
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:45,199
i i think

2122
01:17:48,470 --> 01:17:46,800
i mean again there's this thing where it

2123
01:17:50,470 --> 01:17:48,480
comes down to oh the you know the

2124
01:17:52,790 --> 01:17:50,480
genetics or the code a nucleus and and

2125
01:17:55,270 --> 01:17:52,800
that kind of thing but i

2126
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:55,280
i i don't believe it's just limited to

2127
01:17:58,470 --> 01:17:57,600
that because i've seen

2128
01:18:00,630 --> 01:17:58,480
people

2129
01:18:02,149 --> 01:18:00,640
come from not really having any

2130
01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:02,159
experiences to having profound

2131
01:18:07,110 --> 01:18:04,239
experiences when they actually tried and

2132
01:18:08,870 --> 01:18:07,120
they went about it you know i but again

2133
01:18:11,110 --> 01:18:08,880
what's your threshold

2134
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:11,120
how serious are you taking it

2135
01:18:15,830 --> 01:18:14,400
um you may think you really want it but

2136
01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:15,840
like here's the thing and this is gonna

2137
01:18:20,950 --> 01:18:18,880
sound dumb really but like i can say i

2138
01:18:22,709 --> 01:18:20,960
want a mercedes right

2139
01:18:25,030 --> 01:18:22,719
and it's like a cool fantasy and i have

2140
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:25,040
it in my head and i can imagine

2141
01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:27,360
driving this mercedes

2142
01:18:30,950 --> 01:18:28,719
um

2143
01:18:32,630 --> 01:18:30,960
but there's there's there's people who

2144
01:18:34,630 --> 01:18:32,640
who who want something and there's

2145
01:18:37,110 --> 01:18:34,640
people who really want something

2146
01:18:38,709 --> 01:18:37,120
and there's people who are just gonna do

2147
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:38,719
whatever it takes

2148
01:18:42,870 --> 01:18:40,560
and and and they're just gonna get the

2149
01:18:44,790 --> 01:18:42,880
mercedes like they don't give a crap how

2150
01:18:46,709 --> 01:18:44,800
they're gonna just do it and once they

2151
01:18:49,030 --> 01:18:46,719
have it they have it

2152
01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:49,040
you know um so

2153
01:18:52,470 --> 01:18:51,360
i think there's a kind of an attitude of

2154
01:18:57,669 --> 01:18:52,480
that

2155
01:19:01,110 --> 01:18:57,679
um where you know again once you have

2156
01:19:02,790 --> 01:19:01,120
and again i can this is just um

2157
01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:02,800
thinking on it i can't say this is a

2158
01:19:07,030 --> 01:19:03,840
fact

2159
01:19:09,110 --> 01:19:07,040
um i'm just thinking out loud here

2160
01:19:11,350 --> 01:19:09,120
i i think that if

2161
01:19:13,510 --> 01:19:11,360
i i don't think that there's there's

2162
01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:13,520
people that just can't

2163
01:19:18,630 --> 01:19:16,400
are it's impossible for them to have any

2164
01:19:20,229 --> 01:19:18,640
of these type of experiences

2165
01:19:21,990 --> 01:19:20,239
um

2166
01:19:23,189 --> 01:19:22,000
i just don't think that's the case

2167
01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:23,199
necessarily

2168
01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:25,120
uh have you ever read the book the

2169
01:19:27,510 --> 01:19:26,400
outliers

2170
01:19:32,550 --> 01:19:27,520
no

2171
01:19:34,709 --> 01:19:32,560
malcolm gladwell oh yeah and oh yeah

2172
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:34,719
yeah so i mean you know

2173
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:36,400
they were even saying like the people

2174
01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:38,880
that are talented or are are not even

2175
01:19:43,669 --> 01:19:41,760
the people who end up being like the top

2176
01:19:46,229 --> 01:19:43,679
right because they get lazy

2177
01:19:47,110 --> 01:19:46,239
and the people who just put in the damn

2178
01:19:48,790 --> 01:19:47,120
work

2179
01:19:51,430 --> 01:19:48,800
you know michael jordan was kicked off

2180
01:19:52,870 --> 01:19:51,440
his the high school team

2181
01:19:54,870 --> 01:19:52,880
um

2182
01:19:56,870 --> 01:19:54,880
randy moss and jerry rice are actually a

2183
01:19:58,790 --> 01:19:56,880
really good example randy moss is one of

2184
01:20:01,030 --> 01:19:58,800
the most talented physical receivers

2185
01:20:03,350 --> 01:20:01,040
we've ever seen but jared rice had the

2186
01:20:05,590 --> 01:20:03,360
better production right the 10 000 hours

2187
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:05,600
concept right yeah yeah that's that's

2188
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:07,760
from that's from the outliers yeah so

2189
01:20:11,830 --> 01:20:09,520
again i mean

2190
01:20:13,830 --> 01:20:11,840
the you know and he he

2191
01:20:15,350 --> 01:20:13,840
michael jordan arguably one of the

2192
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:15,360
greatest players i'm not even like a

2193
01:20:18,390 --> 01:20:16,960
sports person but i just remember that

2194
01:20:20,470 --> 01:20:18,400
from that was an example that they used

2195
01:20:21,270 --> 01:20:20,480
in the book right so

2196
01:20:22,149 --> 01:20:21,280
uh

2197
01:20:43,030 --> 01:20:22,159
i

2198
01:20:44,629 --> 01:20:43,040
[\h__\h] happen to me and just

2199
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:44,639
f my life up

2200
01:20:48,470 --> 01:20:47,360
um you know for better or worse right

2201
01:20:49,510 --> 01:20:48,480
um

2202
01:20:52,229 --> 01:20:49,520
i just

2203
01:20:54,070 --> 01:20:52,239
um you know and again you you there's

2204
01:20:56,310 --> 01:20:54,080
different frameworks to look at that

2205
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:56,320
yeah is this is it karmic

2206
01:20:59,430 --> 01:20:58,000
is it have to do

2207
01:21:02,149 --> 01:20:59,440
is it genetic

2208
01:21:04,629 --> 01:21:02,159
is it a combination of those is is does

2209
01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:04,639
your karma have cause and effect and

2210
01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:06,239
cause your genetics i you know again

2211
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:08,080
there's you can bring this into a whole

2212
01:21:13,189 --> 01:21:10,480
spiritual metaphysical thing

2213
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:13,199
or you know did i did i before i

2214
01:21:17,030 --> 01:21:15,600
incarnated into this world did i choose

2215
01:21:18,390 --> 01:21:17,040
that this was going to be my path kind

2216
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:18,400
of thing you know like

2217
01:21:24,550 --> 01:21:21,840
dolores cannon uh territory right um or

2218
01:21:26,149 --> 01:21:24,560
even you know new age before that

2219
01:21:27,189 --> 01:21:26,159
um

2220
01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:27,199
so

2221
01:21:39,030 --> 01:21:27,840
i

2222
01:21:40,229 --> 01:21:39,040
um

2223
01:21:42,790 --> 01:21:40,239
but

2224
01:21:45,030 --> 01:21:42,800
i mean i don't you don't know that

2225
01:21:46,870 --> 01:21:45,040
necessarily everybody really wants to be

2226
01:21:48,629 --> 01:21:46,880
thrown into that right absolutely

2227
01:21:50,470 --> 01:21:48,639
absolutely and there may be no way to

2228
01:21:52,390 --> 01:21:50,480
empirically test it you know so and if

2229
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:52,400
they don't want it it ain't gonna happen

2230
01:22:00,629 --> 01:21:59,030
yeah

2231
01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:00,639
i mean there's people who definitely

2232
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:03,040
don't don't want to have

2233
01:22:06,229 --> 01:22:05,440
abductions and abductions had occurred

2234
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:06,239
um

2235
01:22:11,189 --> 01:22:08,000
even though the majority of them after

2236
01:22:12,629 --> 01:22:11,199
the fact come out saying um

2237
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:12,639
that they

2238
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:14,960
somehow positively transformed them and

2239
01:22:19,110 --> 01:22:17,199
that's a lot of what john mack's

2240
01:22:21,270 --> 01:22:19,120
work brought forward and and people like

2241
01:22:22,790 --> 01:22:21,280
um you know ray hernandez and ed or i

2242
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:22,800
can't say edgar mitchell but the edgar

2243
01:22:26,870 --> 01:22:24,400
mitchell foundation

2244
01:22:29,430 --> 01:22:26,880
which was the free organization or now

2245
01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:29,440
on ccri

2246
01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:32,320
the conscious contact research institute

2247
01:22:36,149 --> 01:22:35,040
um with ray hernandez he's the guy maybe

2248
01:22:37,430 --> 01:22:36,159
you want to have on he's going to be

2249
01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:37,440
releasing

2250
01:22:41,430 --> 01:22:38,880
i believe

2251
01:22:45,270 --> 01:22:41,440
volumes two and three

2252
01:22:47,430 --> 01:22:45,280
ray hernandez okay yeah ray hernandez um

2253
01:22:48,790 --> 01:22:47,440
i can put you in touch with him yeah i'm

2254
01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:48,800
familiar with his experience it's

2255
01:22:52,390 --> 01:22:50,000
fascinating

2256
01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:52,400
it's incredible and but you know just as

2257
01:22:56,950 --> 01:22:54,880
incredible as is the the work that that

2258
01:23:00,070 --> 01:22:56,960
he's doing with rudy shields and and all

2259
01:23:01,590 --> 01:23:00,080
these other people dr joseph burks um

2260
01:23:02,870 --> 01:23:01,600
wrote a chapter

2261
01:23:05,110 --> 01:23:02,880
um

2262
01:23:06,229 --> 01:23:05,120
i believe that he has written another

2263
01:23:08,629 --> 01:23:06,239
chapter that's coming out in a new

2264
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:08,639
volume that you know john alexander

2265
01:23:13,750 --> 01:23:11,520
wrote wrote a chapter right um for the

2266
01:23:14,870 --> 01:23:13,760
beyond ufos um

2267
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:14,880
massive

2268
01:23:19,430 --> 01:23:17,280
it's like a text it's like a university

2269
01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:19,440
textbook it's massive and they're coming

2270
01:23:22,550 --> 01:23:21,280
out they had to come out

2271
01:23:27,669 --> 01:23:22,560
um

2272
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:27,679
was just like

2273
01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:29,440
so massive that you know they're like

2274
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:30,960
okay let's give people like two or three

2275
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:32,960
hundred pages at a time instead of like

2276
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:35,520
800 900 page volumes

2277
01:23:39,750 --> 01:23:38,480
wow i i have a question for nathan then

2278
01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:39,760
we actually have another questionnaire

2279
01:23:43,669 --> 01:23:41,760
for james uh that'll probably get the

2280
01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:43,679
last question but nathan

2281
01:23:49,590 --> 01:23:46,480
um speaking of ccr uh do you see a bad

2282
01:23:51,669 --> 01:23:49,600
moon rising

2283
01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:51,679
come on james you're supposed to smile

2284
01:23:55,510 --> 01:23:53,600
it's required it was in the contract

2285
01:23:57,350 --> 01:23:55,520
thank you that was in the contract yeah

2286
01:23:58,310 --> 01:23:57,360
writer he didn't get his m ms that was

2287
01:24:03,510 --> 01:23:58,320
the uh

2288
01:24:05,669 --> 01:24:04,790
do you see

2289
01:24:07,750 --> 01:24:05,679
uh

2290
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:07,760
a religiosity in the way that we're

2291
01:24:12,550 --> 01:24:10,320
interacting on ufo twitter right now do

2292
01:24:15,669 --> 01:24:12,560
you do you have a sense that we're

2293
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:15,679
becoming uh or a burgeoning religion of

2294
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:17,360
some sort

2295
01:24:21,189 --> 01:24:18,880
yeah well i think that the

2296
01:24:24,310 --> 01:24:21,199
the the ingredients are certainly there

2297
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:24,320
whether or not it comes to fruition it

2298
01:24:28,149 --> 01:24:26,400
remains to be seen because in some ways

2299
01:24:31,910 --> 01:24:28,159
i think these things take you know

2300
01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:31,920
generations to really transform um so

2301
01:24:34,470 --> 01:24:33,520
i don't know that we would necessarily

2302
01:24:37,189 --> 01:24:34,480
see

2303
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:37,199
that come to fruition in in in our short

2304
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:38,480
period of time but i could see it

2305
01:24:43,270 --> 01:24:40,400
happening you know over a long period of

2306
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:43,280
time mainly if if we start getting to a

2307
01:24:48,629 --> 01:24:45,760
place where

2308
01:24:52,550 --> 01:24:50,870
a way that we're saying look

2309
01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:52,560
you can experience the phenomenon

2310
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:54,880
through doing x y z

2311
01:24:58,310 --> 01:24:56,480
essentially i'm going to use a word for

2312
01:24:59,350 --> 01:24:58,320
that a ritual you know so if there's a

2313
01:25:02,550 --> 01:24:59,360
ritual

2314
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:02,560
that you can do to have an experience

2315
01:25:06,550 --> 01:25:04,400
people will do it you know they will

2316
01:25:09,590 --> 01:25:06,560
adopt the ritual and it will become more

2317
01:25:11,430 --> 01:25:09,600
ritualized over time

2318
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:11,440
and then those who are very good at it

2319
01:25:14,870 --> 01:25:12,400
will become

2320
01:25:17,270 --> 01:25:14,880
the uh the as james mentioned kind of

2321
01:25:18,870 --> 01:25:17,280
the gurus or the priests or the you know

2322
01:25:20,709 --> 01:25:18,880
i'm just using terms that we're familiar

2323
01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:20,719
with but they'll be the ones who

2324
01:25:25,910 --> 01:25:23,040
folks will gather around

2325
01:25:28,629 --> 01:25:25,920
to look to as the experts you know and

2326
01:25:30,950 --> 01:25:28,639
whatever those experts say as

2327
01:25:32,950 --> 01:25:30,960
you know i found this to work you know

2328
01:25:35,350 --> 01:25:32,960
then that is what their followers will

2329
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:35,360
do in hopes that they too

2330
01:25:40,550 --> 01:25:38,400
can have a perceived

2331
01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:40,560
experience that is oftentimes kind of

2332
01:25:43,510 --> 01:25:42,000
conflated with like a salvific

2333
01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:43,520
experience there's there's a reason why

2334
01:25:46,629 --> 01:25:45,040
we want you know this there has to be

2335
01:25:48,709 --> 01:25:46,639
some inner drive

2336
01:25:51,189 --> 01:25:48,719
why people want to connect with this

2337
01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:51,199
whatever it is and and and that could be

2338
01:25:54,709 --> 01:25:52,400
different reasons for different people

2339
01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:54,719
to come into me the same thing but but

2340
01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:56,719
the ingredients in other words are there

2341
01:26:00,229 --> 01:25:58,080
and and you know stephen greer might be

2342
01:26:01,990 --> 01:26:00,239
a good example as someone who's kind of

2343
01:26:04,229 --> 01:26:02,000
elevated himself

2344
01:26:06,070 --> 01:26:04,239
uh to some degree whether rightly or

2345
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:06,080
wrongly you know as a guru

2346
01:26:08,870 --> 01:26:07,520
and a lot of people do look to him in

2347
01:26:11,350 --> 01:26:08,880
this in this way

2348
01:26:12,550 --> 01:26:11,360
you know so what where i kind of try to

2349
01:26:14,950 --> 01:26:12,560
keep my

2350
01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:14,960
guard up is at least with this is

2351
01:26:19,669 --> 01:26:16,880
and as you guys both know there's so

2352
01:26:21,830 --> 01:26:19,679
many different um interpretations of

2353
01:26:23,189 --> 01:26:21,840
what's going on there's so much so many

2354
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:23,199
different avenues of interest and

2355
01:26:27,189 --> 01:26:25,600
information you know i i kind of side in

2356
01:26:28,950 --> 01:26:27,199
the camp that we're never probably going

2357
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:28,960
to know what it is but we you know it's

2358
01:26:31,990 --> 01:26:30,320
it's worth studying you know we need to

2359
01:26:34,390 --> 01:26:32,000
really we need to devote

2360
01:26:36,070 --> 01:26:34,400
uh time energy our science you know our

2361
01:26:37,910 --> 01:26:36,080
the our philosophers you know all of

2362
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:37,920
these people all of our good thinkers

2363
01:26:41,430 --> 01:26:39,600
you know we need to devote those folks

2364
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:41,440
to this so that we can better

2365
01:26:47,270 --> 01:26:44,000
understand it and if we can then if it

2366
01:26:49,110 --> 01:26:47,280
becomes more real and less uh etheric

2367
01:26:51,669 --> 01:26:49,120
which is sort of how it feels now

2368
01:26:52,550 --> 01:26:51,679
then uh at that point we may start

2369
01:26:54,629 --> 01:26:52,560
seeing

2370
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:54,639
you know the real foundation of a future

2371
01:26:58,470 --> 01:26:56,639
way of of being of doing and that kind

2372
01:26:59,990 --> 01:26:58,480
of gets to the i don't want to

2373
01:27:01,189 --> 01:27:00,000
necessarily spend too much time on it

2374
01:27:03,189 --> 01:27:01,199
but i know because we have another

2375
01:27:04,950 --> 01:27:03,199
question but james i do want to get your

2376
01:27:05,830 --> 01:27:04,960
thoughts on

2377
01:27:07,030 --> 01:27:05,840
uh

2378
01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:07,040
you know

2379
01:27:11,669 --> 01:27:10,000
as a meditation practice practitioner

2380
01:27:12,950 --> 01:27:11,679
you know what would you kind of advocate

2381
01:27:14,790 --> 01:27:12,960
for people

2382
01:27:15,910 --> 01:27:14,800
generally because is this something that

2383
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:15,920
you would say

2384
01:27:20,629 --> 01:27:18,800
like if if if you had you know you're if

2385
01:27:23,030 --> 01:27:20,639
it had it your way or i think it could

2386
01:27:25,270 --> 01:27:23,040
be best would is it best for humanity

2387
01:27:26,470 --> 01:27:25,280
out of everyone to do

2388
01:27:28,790 --> 01:27:26,480
this kind of thing and follow these

2389
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:28,800
kinds of practices and and engage the

2390
01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:31,760
phenomenon and stealing your show's term

2391
01:27:35,189 --> 01:27:33,520
but is this what is this what we would

2392
01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:35,199
recommend is this what we really want is

2393
01:27:39,110 --> 01:27:36,320
this something that

2394
01:27:40,149 --> 01:27:39,120
uh is even feasible i guess is the way

2395
01:27:42,870 --> 01:27:40,159
to put it

2396
01:27:45,510 --> 01:27:42,880
um i mean uh

2397
01:27:46,870 --> 01:27:45,520
no in the sense where you know it's not

2398
01:27:47,990 --> 01:27:46,880
even

2399
01:27:50,310 --> 01:27:48,000
um

2400
01:27:51,590 --> 01:27:50,320
recommendable for

2401
01:27:53,669 --> 01:27:51,600
everybody

2402
01:27:55,750 --> 01:27:53,679
to be practicing meditation

2403
01:27:57,430 --> 01:27:55,760
um some people are gonna have adverse

2404
01:27:58,870 --> 01:27:57,440
effects there's you know percentage of

2405
01:28:01,990 --> 01:27:58,880
the population

2406
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:02,000
that you they start doing meditation and

2407
01:28:04,709 --> 01:28:02,719
they

2408
01:28:06,790 --> 01:28:04,719
you know maybe it's other factors in

2409
01:28:09,189 --> 01:28:06,800
their life and they just

2410
01:28:11,270 --> 01:28:09,199
get into a thing and i'd really you know

2411
01:28:13,030 --> 01:28:11,280
actually one of the first podcast guests

2412
01:28:16,470 --> 01:28:13,040
i had on engaging the phenomenon is

2413
01:28:19,110 --> 01:28:16,480
somebody named daniel engram

2414
01:28:21,350 --> 01:28:19,120
and he he talks to this about the

2415
01:28:24,070 --> 01:28:21,360
meditation stuff right like

2416
01:28:27,189 --> 01:28:24,080
um getting into some meditation

2417
01:28:29,030 --> 01:28:27,199
territory is not advisable for everybody

2418
01:28:31,910 --> 01:28:29,040
in fact it could

2419
01:28:33,669 --> 01:28:31,920
make you want to quit your job and

2420
01:28:36,310 --> 01:28:33,679
leave your marriage and

2421
01:28:37,350 --> 01:28:36,320
all these things and again my friend

2422
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:37,360
um

2423
01:28:42,629 --> 01:28:39,360
grant i'll just say that

2424
01:28:43,750 --> 01:28:42,639
he had a profound contact experience and

2425
01:28:45,750 --> 01:28:43,760
um

2426
01:28:47,350 --> 01:28:45,760
it affected his relationship i hope he

2427
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:47,360
doesn't mind me saying that

2428
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:49,760
um so those kind of things could happen

2429
01:28:53,510 --> 01:28:51,760
because you could think it's some

2430
01:28:54,870 --> 01:28:53,520
innocent simple thing

2431
01:28:56,870 --> 01:28:54,880
and you don't know what you're getting

2432
01:28:59,030 --> 01:28:56,880
yourself into and i i'm not saying that

2433
01:29:02,470 --> 01:28:59,040
in a negative way again my

2434
01:29:07,510 --> 01:29:05,669
uh for me i i view it in an optimistic

2435
01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:07,520
light that's just

2436
01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:10,960
how i i see it at least for me

2437
01:29:15,750 --> 01:29:12,719
um

2438
01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:15,760
but i you know i don't think

2439
01:29:20,950 --> 01:29:18,000
everybody should just do ce5 because

2440
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:20,960
maybe not everybody's ready for ce5

2441
01:29:24,390 --> 01:29:21,840
um

2442
01:29:26,950 --> 01:29:24,400
but maybe you could have dedicated

2443
01:29:29,030 --> 01:29:26,960
research teams that are

2444
01:29:32,149 --> 01:29:29,040
are doing that investigation i wouldn't

2445
01:29:33,270 --> 01:29:32,159
advise everybody play football it's like

2446
01:29:35,189 --> 01:29:33,280
absolutes

2447
01:29:37,189 --> 01:29:35,199
it's it's absolutism

2448
01:29:39,510 --> 01:29:37,199
there's nothing everybody should do you

2449
01:29:42,870 --> 01:29:39,520
know right yeah i think it's an

2450
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:42,880
important thing to emphasize um and yeah

2451
01:29:45,270 --> 01:29:43,920
i'm not saying you haven't ever

2452
01:29:46,629 --> 01:29:45,280
emphasized that but i think for folks

2453
01:29:48,629 --> 01:29:46,639
you know listening or folks in the

2454
01:29:51,270 --> 01:29:48,639
community generally you know that there

2455
01:29:53,350 --> 01:29:51,280
is no one way to to really experience

2456
01:29:55,910 --> 01:29:53,360
this you know there's no one methodology

2457
01:29:57,590 --> 01:29:55,920
that is going to crack the code or you

2458
01:29:59,669 --> 01:29:57,600
know solve the problem or whatever it is

2459
01:30:01,590 --> 01:29:59,679
because it is it's just too diverse and

2460
01:30:03,110 --> 01:30:01,600
we're too diverse right right yeah and

2461
01:30:05,750 --> 01:30:03,120
and we need to be celebrating these

2462
01:30:07,270 --> 01:30:05,760
different sort of modalities because

2463
01:30:08,870 --> 01:30:07,280
it's through these different modalities

2464
01:30:10,550 --> 01:30:08,880
that we're going to really get the

2465
01:30:12,950 --> 01:30:10,560
answer it's not through one avenue of

2466
01:30:14,709 --> 01:30:12,960
discovery it's through many avenues of

2467
01:30:16,550 --> 01:30:14,719
discovery and inquiry

2468
01:30:18,229 --> 01:30:16,560
it's like tv dinners not everybody's

2469
01:30:19,910 --> 01:30:18,239
going to want the one with the fried

2470
01:30:22,070 --> 01:30:19,920
chicken the mashed potatoes you can

2471
01:30:23,590 --> 01:30:22,080
never get the right combination never

2472
01:30:26,470 --> 01:30:23,600
it's the worst i want the one that has

2473
01:30:27,270 --> 01:30:26,480
the pudding and the chicken no but no

2474
01:30:28,870 --> 01:30:27,280
but

2475
01:30:30,950 --> 01:30:28,880
i andolis

2476
01:30:31,910 --> 01:30:30,960
tv dinners that's what we're going to do

2477
01:30:36,709 --> 01:30:31,920
actually

2478
01:30:39,910 --> 01:30:38,470
everybody calls it chef boyardee it's

2479
01:30:41,270 --> 01:30:39,920
that [\h__\h] it's

2480
01:30:43,669 --> 01:30:41,280
here yeah um

2481
01:30:46,790 --> 01:30:43,679
no but and but even getting to the the

2482
01:30:48,550 --> 01:30:46,800
meditation thing too is that um you know

2483
01:30:51,189 --> 01:30:48,560
i'm forgetting her first name i believe

2484
01:30:52,709 --> 01:30:51,199
her her last name was willoughby

2485
01:30:56,229 --> 01:30:52,719
or maybe that's her first name but she

2486
01:30:57,750 --> 01:30:56,239
had a uh university research project

2487
01:30:59,750 --> 01:30:57,760
uh it was uh

2488
01:31:01,669 --> 01:30:59,760
initially it was called the dark knight

2489
01:31:03,430 --> 01:31:01,679
project and then they changed the name

2490
01:31:05,669 --> 01:31:03,440
to be more

2491
01:31:07,110 --> 01:31:05,679
academically

2492
01:31:08,310 --> 01:31:07,120
appeasing

2493
01:31:10,629 --> 01:31:08,320
and not so

2494
01:31:12,950 --> 01:31:10,639
but it was it was about meditation and

2495
01:31:15,030 --> 01:31:12,960
people coming into

2496
01:31:17,350 --> 01:31:15,040
what what is called the dark night of

2497
01:31:18,229 --> 01:31:17,360
the soul right

2498
01:31:20,550 --> 01:31:18,239
so

2499
01:31:23,189 --> 01:31:20,560
even people practicing

2500
01:31:26,470 --> 01:31:23,199
mild mindfulness practice

2501
01:31:28,950 --> 01:31:26,480
which is is is just um

2502
01:31:31,590 --> 01:31:28,960
basic attentional awareness

2503
01:31:32,550 --> 01:31:31,600
present moment stuff not close your eyes

2504
01:31:33,270 --> 01:31:32,560
breathe

2505
01:31:35,990 --> 01:31:33,280
yeah

2506
01:31:37,750 --> 01:31:36,000
um even in some case mild or so mild or

2507
01:31:39,270 --> 01:31:37,760
mindfulness just

2508
01:31:41,189 --> 01:31:39,280
being you know you can eyes open

2509
01:31:44,229 --> 01:31:41,199
awareness and just

2510
01:31:46,149 --> 01:31:44,239
being aware of what's going on right now

2511
01:31:47,910 --> 01:31:46,159
so um you know there's different

2512
01:31:50,070 --> 01:31:47,920
practices like uh

2513
01:31:52,229 --> 01:31:50,080
mindfulness-based stress reduction which

2514
01:31:53,750 --> 01:31:52,239
is meant to be have health benefits but

2515
01:31:56,390 --> 01:31:53,760
some people

2516
01:31:58,629 --> 01:31:56,400
um even just practicing that were

2517
01:32:00,709 --> 01:31:58,639
running into territory after

2518
01:32:02,070 --> 01:32:00,719
continued practice where

2519
01:32:05,030 --> 01:32:02,080
they'd

2520
01:32:07,270 --> 01:32:05,040
start to realize that and again

2521
01:32:08,229 --> 01:32:07,280
there's deeper fundamental questions to

2522
01:32:12,070 --> 01:32:08,239
this

2523
01:32:13,270 --> 01:32:12,080
and it you know if they start realizing

2524
01:32:14,229 --> 01:32:13,280
and it's

2525
01:32:16,310 --> 01:32:14,239
you know

2526
01:32:17,750 --> 01:32:16,320
it's it's it's difficult to have that

2527
01:32:19,430 --> 01:32:17,760
conversation because they can just start

2528
01:32:21,510 --> 01:32:19,440
realizing things in their life that they

2529
01:32:23,590 --> 01:32:21,520
don't like and it can

2530
01:32:26,070 --> 01:32:23,600
cause a you know what i mean it's

2531
01:32:28,229 --> 01:32:26,080
yeah totally it opens a door it happens

2532
01:32:31,430 --> 01:32:28,239
during pigeon pose

2533
01:32:33,030 --> 01:32:31,440
and by the way

2534
01:32:35,669 --> 01:32:33,040
i'm thinking i need to take you down to

2535
01:32:37,830 --> 01:32:35,679
peak skill and go to prana moon yoga and

2536
01:32:39,830 --> 01:32:37,840
let's take a class from my home girl

2537
01:32:41,910 --> 01:32:39,840
down there because she's an amazing yogi

2538
01:32:44,790 --> 01:32:41,920
uh we have method of error has james

2539
01:32:49,590 --> 01:32:44,800
ever suspected he was taken by the

2540
01:32:55,590 --> 01:32:52,629
uh i have no idea not to my recollection

2541
01:32:59,110 --> 01:32:55,600
and uh i'm just gonna go say that i'm

2542
01:33:00,790 --> 01:32:59,120
not somebody who is a fan of hypnotic

2543
01:33:03,990 --> 01:33:00,800
regressions or anything

2544
01:33:06,229 --> 01:33:04,000
um i don't recall ever

2545
01:33:07,990 --> 01:33:06,239
having uh being taken

2546
01:33:09,669 --> 01:33:08,000
um

2547
01:33:11,830 --> 01:33:09,679
i've had i had

2548
01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:11,840
frightening experiences

2549
01:33:15,110 --> 01:33:14,159
but i

2550
01:33:16,950 --> 01:33:15,120
again

2551
01:33:20,550 --> 01:33:16,960
is there is there a way for it to have

2552
01:33:22,229 --> 01:33:20,560
happened and me not knowing sure um but

2553
01:33:24,790 --> 01:33:22,239
i have no

2554
01:33:25,590 --> 01:33:24,800
not that i'm aware of i don't think so

2555
01:33:28,310 --> 01:33:25,600
um

2556
01:33:29,669 --> 01:33:28,320
i don't think so but

2557
01:33:31,110 --> 01:33:29,679
you know i wouldn't i wouldn't want to

2558
01:33:34,550 --> 01:33:31,120
find out

2559
01:33:37,110 --> 01:33:34,560
um through another means of just

2560
01:33:38,950 --> 01:33:37,120
conscious recollection either i wouldn't

2561
01:33:41,910 --> 01:33:38,960
want to

2562
01:33:44,790 --> 01:33:41,920
um i'm not i'm not a fan of hypnotic

2563
01:33:46,629 --> 01:33:44,800
regression yeah just just for my own you

2564
01:33:48,870 --> 01:33:46,639
know again that's just my

2565
01:33:50,390 --> 01:33:48,880
my way just like uh in in the meditation

2566
01:33:52,629 --> 01:33:50,400
world i'm not a fan of the whole past

2567
01:33:55,350 --> 01:33:52,639
life thing yeah um

2568
01:33:57,669 --> 01:33:55,360
i um i have a more of a zen philosophy

2569
01:33:58,790 --> 01:33:57,679
in that way of here now

2570
01:34:00,629 --> 01:33:58,800
even if

2571
01:34:02,229 --> 01:34:00,639
i remember that i was something in a

2572
01:34:04,550 --> 01:34:02,239
past life it's like how does that affect

2573
01:34:05,910 --> 01:34:04,560
me now and why is it relevant

2574
01:34:07,830 --> 01:34:05,920
james i'm going to leave all my

2575
01:34:09,270 --> 01:34:07,840
meditation stuff in the duffel bag when

2576
01:34:12,310 --> 01:34:09,280
i come to new york i'm not even going to

2577
01:34:15,590 --> 01:34:12,320
break it out so uh you know fine uh all

2578
01:34:18,390 --> 01:34:15,600
right max uh so maxie mccabe

2579
01:34:20,390 --> 01:34:18,400
uh so what's up brother

2580
01:34:22,550 --> 01:34:20,400
hi how are you doing dj it's good to see

2581
01:34:25,030 --> 01:34:22,560
you or to speak to you and to see you

2582
01:34:27,990 --> 01:34:25,040
visually it's good to see you that's an

2583
01:34:28,950 --> 01:34:28,000
excellent beard your hair looks great

2584
01:34:33,270 --> 01:34:28,960
very

2585
01:34:34,070 --> 01:34:33,280
man

2586
01:34:36,950 --> 01:34:34,080
um

2587
01:34:40,629 --> 01:34:36,960
so let me just uh frame this up nathan

2588
01:34:43,830 --> 01:34:40,639
was 100 correct today when he

2589
01:34:46,390 --> 01:34:43,840
which he is most of the time he said uh

2590
01:34:48,070 --> 01:34:46,400
oh i think max is thinking not about the

2591
01:34:50,470 --> 01:34:48,080
experience of roundtable he's thinking

2592
01:34:53,189 --> 01:34:50,480
he's coming on tonight but me like an

2593
01:34:55,830 --> 01:34:53,199
idiot didn't clarify it and so max has

2594
01:34:58,470 --> 01:34:55,840
joined us he's had an amazing experience

2595
01:35:00,149 --> 01:34:58,480
in the uk that blew my socks off not

2596
01:35:02,790 --> 01:35:00,159
right now because i have socks on but

2597
01:35:05,590 --> 01:35:02,800
back then it did take the socks off

2598
01:35:07,350 --> 01:35:05,600
max my brother man what's up

2599
01:35:09,270 --> 01:35:07,360
tell us what's up

2600
01:35:10,870 --> 01:35:09,280
it would take quite some time i think

2601
01:35:14,550 --> 01:35:10,880
you're near the end of your

2602
01:35:17,030 --> 01:35:14,560
um show that you planned right yes james

2603
01:35:18,629 --> 01:35:17,040
nice to meet you hey how are you and hi

2604
01:35:21,669 --> 01:35:18,639
nathan hello

2605
01:35:27,109 --> 01:35:21,679
um i apologize for the mix-up but yeah

2606
01:35:31,430 --> 01:35:29,109
it's a pleasure to have you on man thank

2607
01:35:33,030 --> 01:35:31,440
you thank you

2608
01:35:35,750 --> 01:35:33,040
um i did have a question for james

2609
01:35:38,149 --> 01:35:35,760
actually uh just before

2610
01:35:39,030 --> 01:35:38,159
is have you had any

2611
01:35:41,189 --> 01:35:39,040
um

2612
01:35:43,030 --> 01:35:41,199
what we might put into the box of

2613
01:35:44,390 --> 01:35:43,040
paranormal

2614
01:35:45,910 --> 01:35:44,400
shadow figures

2615
01:35:48,310 --> 01:35:45,920
poltergeists

2616
01:35:51,669 --> 01:35:48,320
anything like that happened to you

2617
01:35:52,950 --> 01:35:51,679
after you began interacting with ufos

2618
01:35:55,430 --> 01:35:52,960
is that evidence

2619
01:35:57,430 --> 01:35:55,440
i had all that actually mostly

2620
01:35:58,870 --> 01:35:57,440
uh before

2621
01:36:00,709 --> 01:35:58,880
beforehand

2622
01:36:02,229 --> 01:36:00,719
before but yeah

2623
01:36:03,669 --> 01:36:02,239
after as well

2624
01:36:05,669 --> 01:36:03,679
um but

2625
01:36:06,950 --> 01:36:05,679
more so before

2626
01:36:08,229 --> 01:36:06,960
um

2627
01:36:10,870 --> 01:36:08,239
so yeah that

2628
01:36:13,590 --> 01:36:10,880
i did have experiences with that

2629
01:36:16,629 --> 01:36:15,109
that's why i tend

2630
01:36:18,629 --> 01:36:16,639
i was gonna say i tend to think some of

2631
01:36:19,510 --> 01:36:18,639
it is is connected but

2632
01:36:23,109 --> 01:36:19,520
to me

2633
01:36:24,950 --> 01:36:23,119
it was um at least it felt clear from if

2634
01:36:27,669 --> 01:36:24,960
i could distinguish that they weren't

2635
01:36:29,189 --> 01:36:27,679
the same phenomenon but it was

2636
01:36:32,629 --> 01:36:29,199
again something

2637
01:36:34,950 --> 01:36:32,639
that people can consider paranormal

2638
01:36:37,990 --> 01:36:34,960
yeah it's interesting that we use this

2639
01:36:39,669 --> 01:36:38,000
um language is so limiting right

2640
01:36:41,830 --> 01:36:39,679
yeah no

2641
01:36:43,590 --> 01:36:41,840
so whatever words we choose to use we

2642
01:36:44,790 --> 01:36:43,600
like to pigeonhole things and put them

2643
01:36:45,669 --> 01:36:44,800
in boxes

2644
01:36:47,350 --> 01:36:45,679
which

2645
01:36:50,550 --> 01:36:47,360
really

2646
01:36:53,430 --> 01:36:50,560
over simplify it over simplifies things

2647
01:36:55,590 --> 01:36:53,440
which are way more complex and words

2648
01:36:57,270 --> 01:36:55,600
just don't do it justice right

2649
01:36:58,950 --> 01:36:57,280
so um

2650
01:37:00,390 --> 01:36:58,960
what happened to us here i'll try and be

2651
01:37:02,070 --> 01:37:00,400
brief dj

2652
01:37:05,109 --> 01:37:02,080
yes sir

2653
01:37:07,189 --> 01:37:05,119
like september october 2014

2654
01:37:09,669 --> 01:37:07,199
um i've never had any interest in the

2655
01:37:11,350 --> 01:37:09,679
subject in my whole life

2656
01:37:13,030 --> 01:37:11,360
i didn't ask for any of this stuff to

2657
01:37:14,950 --> 01:37:13,040
happen

2658
01:37:17,350 --> 01:37:14,960
and it was

2659
01:37:20,310 --> 01:37:17,360
some of it was positive but we had a lot

2660
01:37:22,550 --> 01:37:20,320
of negative stuff happen too that became

2661
01:37:23,750 --> 01:37:22,560
completely out of our control

2662
01:37:25,830 --> 01:37:23,760
and quite

2663
01:37:27,910 --> 01:37:25,840
scary to say the least

2664
01:37:30,390 --> 01:37:27,920
it became very unpleasant

2665
01:37:33,350 --> 01:37:30,400
um but i'm aware that obviously there's

2666
01:37:34,870 --> 01:37:33,360
there's a whole spectrum of things

2667
01:37:37,430 --> 01:37:34,880
i had a

2668
01:37:39,189 --> 01:37:37,440
man it's really difficult to talk about

2669
01:37:41,830 --> 01:37:39,199
but i'm going to try it so

2670
01:37:43,830 --> 01:37:41,840
one night in september 2014 my daughter

2671
01:37:45,830 --> 01:37:43,840
was at the front of our house with our

2672
01:37:47,590 --> 01:37:45,840
neighbor's daughter

2673
01:37:50,149 --> 01:37:47,600
and as they were at the front i was

2674
01:37:51,910 --> 01:37:50,159
asleep about 11 o'clock at night

2675
01:37:54,390 --> 01:37:51,920
they watched three balls of light in the

2676
01:37:55,430 --> 01:37:54,400
sky that are making formations and

2677
01:37:57,430 --> 01:37:55,440
patterns

2678
01:37:59,590 --> 01:37:57,440
and they shot off eventually

2679
01:38:01,270 --> 01:37:59,600
she told me the next day

2680
01:38:03,510 --> 01:38:01,280
i was in the garden about four o'clock

2681
01:38:05,590 --> 01:38:03,520
in the morning um before i went to bed

2682
01:38:07,590 --> 01:38:05,600
i've been working all night

2683
01:38:09,990 --> 01:38:07,600
as i was sitting there looking up at the

2684
01:38:12,390 --> 01:38:10,000
beautiful crisps nice sky beautiful

2685
01:38:13,270 --> 01:38:12,400
starry night really cold

2686
01:38:16,229 --> 01:38:13,280
um

2687
01:38:18,550 --> 01:38:16,239
there was a double flash of white light

2688
01:38:20,310 --> 01:38:18,560
so as i've just thought well lightning

2689
01:38:22,070 --> 01:38:20,320
or something like this

2690
01:38:24,229 --> 01:38:22,080
um and then i thought well it's not

2691
01:38:25,510 --> 01:38:24,239
humid there's no clouds and as i was

2692
01:38:28,229 --> 01:38:25,520
thinking that

2693
01:38:30,390 --> 01:38:28,239
another double flash of white light pure

2694
01:38:32,709 --> 01:38:30,400
brilliant white light i've looked

2695
01:38:34,950 --> 01:38:32,719
straight up and and there were these two

2696
01:38:36,229 --> 01:38:34,960
uh spheres of white light passing over

2697
01:38:38,950 --> 01:38:36,239
my head

2698
01:38:39,830 --> 01:38:38,960
and then they at a right angle they shot

2699
01:38:42,310 --> 01:38:39,840
off

2700
01:38:45,109 --> 01:38:42,320
so fast it left trace lines

2701
01:38:46,149 --> 01:38:45,119
ran through the house um there's nothing

2702
01:38:48,310 --> 01:38:46,159
there

2703
01:38:49,910 --> 01:38:48,320
a few minutes maybe it was ten past four

2704
01:38:52,070 --> 01:38:49,920
in the morning because i looked on my

2705
01:38:54,470 --> 01:38:52,080
watch thinking i'll tell my daughter i'd

2706
01:38:56,709 --> 01:38:54,480
seen the same thing that they'd seen

2707
01:38:57,750 --> 01:38:56,719
as i've come into the house to to lock

2708
01:39:00,390 --> 01:38:57,760
the door because there's nothing

2709
01:39:02,550 --> 01:39:00,400
happening now they're gone

2710
01:39:04,870 --> 01:39:02,560
as i've locked the door turned the key

2711
01:39:06,550 --> 01:39:04,880
turn around to go up the stairs

2712
01:39:09,189 --> 01:39:06,560
i was struck by

2713
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:09,199
what can only be classified as a

2714
01:39:13,189 --> 01:39:11,520
telepathic instruction

2715
01:39:15,030 --> 01:39:13,199
wasn't words

2716
01:39:17,669 --> 01:39:15,040
but it certainly shocked me and stopped

2717
01:39:18,629 --> 01:39:17,679
me in my tracks

2718
01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:18,639
and i

2719
01:39:24,470 --> 01:39:21,040
my mind unraveled it into don't close

2720
01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:24,480
the door go outside and look up

2721
01:39:28,790 --> 01:39:26,400
that's so i did and as i've stepped

2722
01:39:31,510 --> 01:39:28,800
outside of the house and looked up

2723
01:39:34,950 --> 01:39:31,520
a huge golden object

2724
01:39:36,709 --> 01:39:34,960
maybe 50 60 feet up not very high at all

2725
01:39:39,109 --> 01:39:36,719
if you stacked this house on top of

2726
01:39:41,590 --> 01:39:39,119
itself a two-story house which is about

2727
01:39:42,790 --> 01:39:41,600
10 meters i now know

2728
01:39:44,310 --> 01:39:42,800
um

2729
01:39:47,270 --> 01:39:44,320
this thing moved out and stopped right

2730
01:39:48,950 --> 01:39:47,280
above me so all at once james as i've

2731
01:39:50,709 --> 01:39:48,960
stepped over that doorway and looked up

2732
01:39:53,830 --> 01:39:50,719
and i'm gobsmacked

2733
01:39:56,070 --> 01:39:53,840
i felt like i was bathed in extremely

2734
01:39:58,229 --> 01:39:56,080
strong static electricity

2735
01:40:00,149 --> 01:39:58,239
i mean all of my hair stood on end all

2736
01:40:01,109 --> 01:40:00,159
of it not just the back of my neck i

2737
01:40:03,510 --> 01:40:01,119
wasn't

2738
01:40:04,310 --> 01:40:03,520
scared or anything like this

2739
01:40:06,070 --> 01:40:04,320
so

2740
01:40:07,990 --> 01:40:06,080
i'm stood under this thing

2741
01:40:09,109 --> 01:40:08,000
i'm struck with an overwhelming feeling

2742
01:40:12,870 --> 01:40:09,119
of love

2743
01:40:15,669 --> 01:40:12,880
and so much that it made my eyes water

2744
01:40:18,149 --> 01:40:15,679
pin drop silence

2745
01:40:20,229 --> 01:40:18,159
i'm just absolutely gobsmacked and in

2746
01:40:21,270 --> 01:40:20,239
shock the thing is probably a big as a

2747
01:40:23,830 --> 01:40:21,280
bus

2748
01:40:26,149 --> 01:40:23,840
it was like a horizontal diamond shape

2749
01:40:28,229 --> 01:40:26,159
but it only had a diamond shape because

2750
01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:28,239
there were shards of light emanating

2751
01:40:33,910 --> 01:40:30,960
from the center of it vertically

2752
01:40:37,910 --> 01:40:33,920
around the edges more towards the edges

2753
01:40:40,149 --> 01:40:37,920
were golden tinged but moving plasma

2754
01:40:42,709 --> 01:40:40,159
and beyond that it was it it appeared

2755
01:40:44,229 --> 01:40:42,719
like plasma it's the only thing i can

2756
01:40:46,149 --> 01:40:44,239
equate it to

2757
01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:46,159
but it was so bright it should have

2758
01:40:49,910 --> 01:40:48,000
burnt my eyes like looking directly at

2759
01:40:52,229 --> 01:40:49,920
the sun but it was soft on the eyes it

2760
01:40:56,070 --> 01:40:52,239
was gentle on the ice it was like a

2761
01:40:58,629 --> 01:40:56,080
luminosity that i'd never seen before

2762
01:41:00,390 --> 01:40:58,639
so beyond the edging it was as if it was

2763
01:41:02,950 --> 01:41:00,400
setting the air on fire it was almost

2764
01:41:05,990 --> 01:41:02,960
like flames it was just absolutely

2765
01:41:08,149 --> 01:41:06,000
beautiful and stunning

2766
01:41:10,550 --> 01:41:08,159
so i'm i'm taking this in i didn't know

2767
01:41:13,030 --> 01:41:10,560
what else to do so i just waved

2768
01:41:14,629 --> 01:41:13,040
what else do you do right yeah

2769
01:41:17,590 --> 01:41:14,639
then it started to dawn on me that it

2770
01:41:19,430 --> 01:41:17,600
might not be safe that i might be in

2771
01:41:21,590 --> 01:41:19,440
danger i just you know human brain

2772
01:41:23,590 --> 01:41:21,600
starts thinking this is insane

2773
01:41:25,669 --> 01:41:23,600
i can't believe what i'm seeing

2774
01:41:27,750 --> 01:41:25,679
why is it silent i can hear myself

2775
01:41:30,629 --> 01:41:27,760
breathing my heartbeat

2776
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:30,639
it just was too too crazy man

2777
01:41:35,350 --> 01:41:33,360
tingles up my spine going over my scalp

2778
01:41:36,870 --> 01:41:35,360
all the hairs on end

2779
01:41:38,629 --> 01:41:36,880
i looked left to see if any of the

2780
01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:38,639
neighbors were awake because i need

2781
01:41:41,910 --> 01:41:40,560
someone else to see this i considered

2782
01:41:44,709 --> 01:41:41,920
running into the house because the door

2783
01:41:45,669 --> 01:41:44,719
was still open to wake people up but i

2784
01:41:47,910 --> 01:41:45,679
felt

2785
01:41:49,590 --> 01:41:47,920
from the moment they told me to go

2786
01:41:52,229 --> 01:41:49,600
outside and look up

2787
01:41:54,629 --> 01:41:52,239
i felt an overwhelming sense of being

2788
01:41:56,790 --> 01:41:54,639
watched and observed a complete intimate

2789
01:41:58,830 --> 01:41:56,800
connection as if it was still connected

2790
01:42:01,990 --> 01:41:58,840
to me like it knew my

2791
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:02,000
thoughts and it was at this point that i

2792
01:42:06,709 --> 01:42:04,800
considered my phone is in my top top

2793
01:42:08,310 --> 01:42:06,719
left jacket pocket and then i should

2794
01:42:10,149 --> 01:42:08,320
take a picture i've got to take a video

2795
01:42:11,830 --> 01:42:10,159
a picture or something

2796
01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:11,840
the moment that i thought that this

2797
01:42:15,109 --> 01:42:13,600
thing starts to move left

2798
01:42:17,590 --> 01:42:15,119
yeah i left

2799
01:42:20,550 --> 01:42:17,600
the moment and i felt like i'd messed up

2800
01:42:22,470 --> 01:42:20,560
i felt like it did not want that bit

2801
01:42:24,229 --> 01:42:22,480
like it was an intimate moment just for

2802
01:42:26,470 --> 01:42:24,239
me

2803
01:42:28,550 --> 01:42:26,480
so i start to walk under it saying no no

2804
01:42:29,830 --> 01:42:28,560
no don't go i didn't want the moment to

2805
01:42:31,990 --> 01:42:29,840
end

2806
01:42:34,550 --> 01:42:32,000
it starts to speed up

2807
01:42:36,709 --> 01:42:34,560
so i'm now jogging and then running and

2808
01:42:38,310 --> 01:42:36,719
it curves to the right and starts to

2809
01:42:41,030 --> 01:42:38,320
head higher and higher and faster and

2810
01:42:42,310 --> 01:42:41,040
faster i ran to the edge to where i

2811
01:42:44,310 --> 01:42:42,320
could as far as i could go because

2812
01:42:45,350 --> 01:42:44,320
there's terraced houses and then watch

2813
01:42:47,990 --> 01:42:45,360
this thing

2814
01:42:49,430 --> 01:42:48,000
rise up into the distance until it's so

2815
01:42:52,229 --> 01:42:49,440
high up in the atmosphere and it just

2816
01:42:55,350 --> 01:42:52,239
disappears out of sight within maybe six

2817
01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:55,360
to ten seconds at most

2818
01:42:59,350 --> 01:42:57,520
so this was the very first night right

2819
01:43:00,790 --> 01:42:59,360
the second night i'll skip over because

2820
01:43:03,189 --> 01:43:00,800
i'll be here all night explaining

2821
01:43:05,590 --> 01:43:03,199
everything but the second night

2822
01:43:06,950 --> 01:43:05,600
i was pacing the house i i wanted my

2823
01:43:09,270 --> 01:43:06,960
girlfriend to

2824
01:43:11,109 --> 01:43:09,280
by the way i tried to stay up to tell my

2825
01:43:13,189 --> 01:43:11,119
girlfriend what had happened and i was a

2826
01:43:15,109 --> 01:43:13,199
wreck i was i didn't realize at the time

2827
01:43:16,950 --> 01:43:15,119
i was in complete shock

2828
01:43:18,790 --> 01:43:16,960
and i just couldn't stumble through the

2829
01:43:20,390 --> 01:43:18,800
words i literally broke down because i

2830
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:20,400
was in such shock from what had just

2831
01:43:24,950 --> 01:43:21,520
happened

2832
01:43:27,270 --> 01:43:24,960
i couldn't process it so the next night

2833
01:43:28,709 --> 01:43:27,280
i asked her to stay up with me

2834
01:43:30,950 --> 01:43:28,719
she didn't

2835
01:43:32,390 --> 01:43:30,960
and i'm pacing back and forth back guard

2836
01:43:33,430 --> 01:43:32,400
and front guard and back guard and front

2837
01:43:34,870 --> 01:43:33,440
garden

2838
01:43:37,189 --> 01:43:34,880
and the thing comes back from a

2839
01:43:39,109 --> 01:43:37,199
different different location roughly the

2840
01:43:40,390 --> 01:43:39,119
same height and it just glides along the

2841
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:40,400
rooftop

2842
01:43:47,189 --> 01:43:44,480
and i consider running in to come and

2843
01:43:49,590 --> 01:43:47,199
get her or try calling her or am i going

2844
01:43:51,910 --> 01:43:49,600
to take a video well i wanted her to see

2845
01:43:54,550 --> 01:43:51,920
it i didn't care about no damn video so

2846
01:43:56,709 --> 01:43:54,560
i try calling her and i'm watching it

2847
01:43:58,550 --> 01:43:56,719
it's literally just gliding along as

2848
01:44:00,310 --> 01:43:58,560
people are asleep but it's roughly the

2849
01:44:02,149 --> 01:44:00,320
same time about 20 past four in the

2850
01:44:04,390 --> 01:44:02,159
morning this time

2851
01:44:06,629 --> 01:44:04,400
and it turns on a right a right angle

2852
01:44:08,629 --> 01:44:06,639
left turn so now it's heading from my

2853
01:44:11,590 --> 01:44:08,639
right across to my left and then it

2854
01:44:14,070 --> 01:44:11,600
glides up into the same point in the sky

2855
01:44:16,709 --> 01:44:14,080
third night it comes back again this

2856
01:44:18,310 --> 01:44:16,719
time i've got her to wake up early

2857
01:44:21,189 --> 01:44:18,320
and i'm pacing around she's making

2858
01:44:23,109 --> 01:44:21,199
coffee and then all of a sudden it comes

2859
01:44:24,310 --> 01:44:23,119
from back here it comes straight down

2860
01:44:27,669 --> 01:44:24,320
and stops

2861
01:44:29,270 --> 01:44:27,679
i call her out she looks at it oh wow

2862
01:44:31,109 --> 01:44:29,280
and then the thing hangs for about 10

2863
01:44:32,470 --> 01:44:31,119
seconds before it just zooms up so it

2864
01:44:35,510 --> 01:44:32,480
made like a v

2865
01:44:37,830 --> 01:44:35,520
a v um pattern

2866
01:44:39,750 --> 01:44:37,840
i never saw that one again a few nights

2867
01:44:41,030 --> 01:44:39,760
later i'm driving down the road in gale

2868
01:44:42,790 --> 01:44:41,040
force winds

2869
01:44:44,950 --> 01:44:42,800
and there's a red ball of light hanging

2870
01:44:46,950 --> 01:44:44,960
in the sky it catches my attention i

2871
01:44:48,950 --> 01:44:46,960
know there's nothing back there but high

2872
01:44:50,629 --> 01:44:48,960
tension power lines

2873
01:44:52,550 --> 01:44:50,639
and a train track

2874
01:44:54,790 --> 01:44:52,560
so i pulled the car over

2875
01:44:57,270 --> 01:44:54,800
i'm absolutely wanting to get a picture

2876
01:44:58,950 --> 01:44:57,280
this time so i get out the car i reach

2877
01:45:02,229 --> 01:44:58,960
in to get my phone while keeping my eye

2878
01:45:04,070 --> 01:45:02,239
on it and it just blinks out

2879
01:45:05,669 --> 01:45:04,080
you know

2880
01:45:08,149 --> 01:45:05,679
it was after that the things started to

2881
01:45:09,910 --> 01:45:08,159
get pretty pretty negative

2882
01:45:11,750 --> 01:45:09,920
i say negative

2883
01:45:13,430 --> 01:45:11,760
that's not that's not a clever way to

2884
01:45:15,430 --> 01:45:13,440
put it

2885
01:45:16,790 --> 01:45:15,440
the way that i described the feeling of

2886
01:45:19,910 --> 01:45:16,800
love

2887
01:45:21,910 --> 01:45:19,920
from when i was under it the first night

2888
01:45:24,709 --> 01:45:21,920
it didn't come it didn't feel like it

2889
01:45:26,709 --> 01:45:24,719
came from wind in within me naturally it

2890
01:45:29,189 --> 01:45:26,719
felt as if that feeling was projected

2891
01:45:31,030 --> 01:45:29,199
upon me because there was no logical

2892
01:45:32,629 --> 01:45:31,040
reason for me to feel that sense of

2893
01:45:34,229 --> 01:45:32,639
overwhelming love

2894
01:45:37,030 --> 01:45:34,239
it almost felt like an angelic

2895
01:45:39,750 --> 01:45:37,040
experience it was alien angelic it was

2896
01:45:41,910 --> 01:45:39,760
magical it was shocking all at once

2897
01:45:43,750 --> 01:45:41,920
as you know there's no way to make sense

2898
01:45:45,430 --> 01:45:43,760
of it your brain just goes into meltdown

2899
01:45:47,270 --> 01:45:45,440
because you don't know

2900
01:45:49,510 --> 01:45:47,280
there's nothing to relate to this it's

2901
01:45:51,030 --> 01:45:49,520
just so unique

2902
01:45:53,030 --> 01:45:51,040
so um

2903
01:45:54,629 --> 01:45:53,040
that feeling of love

2904
01:45:56,310 --> 01:45:54,639
me and my girlfriend around the back

2905
01:45:58,149 --> 01:45:56,320
maybe two weeks after these first

2906
01:46:01,109 --> 01:45:58,159
experiences

2907
01:46:03,669 --> 01:46:01,119
night time with having a conversation

2908
01:46:05,510 --> 01:46:03,679
and all of a sudden that feeling just

2909
01:46:07,510 --> 01:46:05,520
dropped on us

2910
01:46:09,430 --> 01:46:07,520
but it was not love it was negative it

2911
01:46:12,950 --> 01:46:09,440
was terrifying it felt like we were

2912
01:46:16,390 --> 01:46:12,960
being watched but in a really

2913
01:46:18,470 --> 01:46:16,400
just basically felt filled with terror

2914
01:46:20,149 --> 01:46:18,480
of course we both stopped hairs on my

2915
01:46:22,070 --> 01:46:20,159
back of my neck went up this time with

2916
01:46:24,470 --> 01:46:22,080
fear

2917
01:46:27,350 --> 01:46:24,480
but again why this came from nowhere

2918
01:46:28,709 --> 01:46:27,360
right they just came from nowhere

2919
01:46:31,990 --> 01:46:28,719
silence fell

2920
01:46:33,510 --> 01:46:32,000
and then these huge heavy footsteps

2921
01:46:34,790 --> 01:46:33,520
from right in front of us where we're

2922
01:46:36,950 --> 01:46:34,800
facing there

2923
01:46:38,790 --> 01:46:36,960
we have fence panels with huge gaps in

2924
01:46:41,030 --> 01:46:38,800
between the fencing so you can see

2925
01:46:42,950 --> 01:46:41,040
straight through there's lights in the

2926
01:46:45,590 --> 01:46:42,960
back so you can see straight through

2927
01:46:49,030 --> 01:46:45,600
these footsteps sounded like a

2928
01:46:51,750 --> 01:46:49,040
damn dinosaur was walking back there

2929
01:46:54,310 --> 01:46:51,760
they pound left and right

2930
01:46:55,910 --> 01:46:54,320
left and right and she got so scared she

2931
01:46:58,149 --> 01:46:55,920
ran in the house slammed the door saying

2932
01:47:00,950 --> 01:46:58,159
i'm sorry about you i can't i'm sat

2933
01:47:03,109 --> 01:47:00,960
there terrified frozen to my chair

2934
01:47:04,229 --> 01:47:03,119
and it made me mad because it felt like

2935
01:47:07,030 --> 01:47:04,239
a test

2936
01:47:09,430 --> 01:47:07,040
it felt like it almost whatever this was

2937
01:47:12,550 --> 01:47:09,440
it was as if it was trying to test my

2938
01:47:14,790 --> 01:47:12,560
resolve so i got mad my reaction was to

2939
01:47:16,390 --> 01:47:14,800
get angry grip my teeth

2940
01:47:17,750 --> 01:47:16,400
and get prepared for whatever was going

2941
01:47:20,470 --> 01:47:17,760
to happen

2942
01:47:22,790 --> 01:47:20,480
and just soon as i got mad

2943
01:47:24,470 --> 01:47:22,800
the feeling lifted the normal background

2944
01:47:26,310 --> 01:47:24,480
sounds came back

2945
01:47:27,830 --> 01:47:26,320
and everything became normal again i sat

2946
01:47:29,189 --> 01:47:27,840
there for another minute went over and

2947
01:47:29,990 --> 01:47:29,199
looked over the fence there's nothing

2948
01:47:32,310 --> 01:47:30,000
there

2949
01:47:34,229 --> 01:47:32,320
but these footsteps came right in front

2950
01:47:36,390 --> 01:47:34,239
of me where i should have been able to

2951
01:47:39,270 --> 01:47:36,400
see what was making the sound

2952
01:47:41,750 --> 01:47:39,280
and there was nothing there man

2953
01:47:44,390 --> 01:47:41,760
after that me and my son he moves in

2954
01:47:46,790 --> 01:47:44,400
he's 14 we go for a walk in the woods

2955
01:47:48,229 --> 01:47:46,800
it's one o'clock in the afternoon it's a

2956
01:47:50,070 --> 01:47:48,239
broad daylight

2957
01:47:52,229 --> 01:47:50,080
and as we're walking towards those woods

2958
01:47:54,550 --> 01:47:52,239
to go into the tree line that same

2959
01:47:56,629 --> 01:47:54,560
feeling that same

2960
01:47:59,270 --> 01:47:56,639
terror suddenly out of nowhere is where

2961
01:48:02,149 --> 01:47:59,280
mid conversation just drops

2962
01:48:04,629 --> 01:48:02,159
i stop he says dada do you feel that

2963
01:48:06,790 --> 01:48:04,639
he's 14 years old he's just moved in

2964
01:48:08,470 --> 01:48:06,800
with me the first thing that happens is

2965
01:48:09,750 --> 01:48:08,480
this

2966
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:09,760
i thought oh

2967
01:48:12,950 --> 01:48:11,840
excuse my french well [\h__\h] he feels it

2968
01:48:14,550 --> 01:48:12,960
too

2969
01:48:16,709 --> 01:48:14,560
and then that feeling of being watched

2970
01:48:18,950 --> 01:48:16,719
had a direction and it was drilling into

2971
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:18,960
the back of my head from up there so i

2972
01:48:22,229 --> 01:48:20,080
turn around

2973
01:48:23,669 --> 01:48:22,239
automatically and look up to see

2974
01:48:25,750 --> 01:48:23,679
what was a dark

2975
01:48:27,109 --> 01:48:25,760
metallic

2976
01:48:30,709 --> 01:48:27,119
cylinder

2977
01:48:32,550 --> 01:48:30,719
that half of it just zoomed behind a big

2978
01:48:35,030 --> 01:48:32,560
puffy white cloud

2979
01:48:37,430 --> 01:48:35,040
i'm not taking my eyes off it thinking

2980
01:48:39,189 --> 01:48:37,440
hot air balloon jet whatever you're

2981
01:48:41,590 --> 01:48:39,199
thinking of every possible thing that it

2982
01:48:44,709 --> 01:48:41,600
could be but i clearly saw the back end

2983
01:48:47,590 --> 01:48:44,719
of a cigar shape or a cylinder at least

2984
01:48:49,510 --> 01:48:47,600
just jet jet behind it

2985
01:48:51,350 --> 01:48:49,520
i said did you just see that corbin he

2986
01:48:53,510 --> 01:48:51,360
said yeah dad you see it too what did

2987
01:48:55,109 --> 01:48:53,520
you see he said it was like a cylinder

2988
01:48:56,390 --> 01:48:55,119
like a can

2989
01:48:58,550 --> 01:48:56,400
next thing i remember is saying we've

2990
01:49:01,430 --> 01:48:58,560
got to get out of here

2991
01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:01,440
we don't remember to walk home

2992
01:49:06,310 --> 01:49:04,320
now um it was that next day

2993
01:49:08,310 --> 01:49:06,320
it stayed out at night

2994
01:49:10,870 --> 01:49:08,320
and i'm in the living room i'm in the

2995
01:49:13,430 --> 01:49:10,880
house by myself with my six-week-old

2996
01:49:16,229 --> 01:49:13,440
baby boy at the time he's asleep on the

2997
01:49:18,629 --> 01:49:16,239
sofa he wakes up crying

2998
01:49:20,870 --> 01:49:18,639
as i stand up to pick him up i notice

2999
01:49:22,629 --> 01:49:20,880
movement out the corner of my right eye

3000
01:49:24,950 --> 01:49:22,639
and i look over and in my doorway

3001
01:49:25,910 --> 01:49:24,960
between my kitchen and living room

3002
01:49:27,990 --> 01:49:25,920
is

3003
01:49:31,030 --> 01:49:28,000
maybe four foot tall halfway up the door

3004
01:49:33,830 --> 01:49:31,040
frame a shadow figure with an oversized

3005
01:49:36,390 --> 01:49:33,840
head i didn't notice anything beyond

3006
01:49:37,990 --> 01:49:36,400
the waistline because i didn't have time

3007
01:49:40,310 --> 01:49:38,000
to look up and down

3008
01:49:42,470 --> 01:49:40,320
this thing is moving like as if it's

3009
01:49:44,709 --> 01:49:42,480
looking my direction

3010
01:49:47,030 --> 01:49:44,719
makes me jump out of my skin and the

3011
01:49:49,189 --> 01:49:47,040
thing just glides fast across the living

3012
01:49:52,310 --> 01:49:49,199
room no bumping up and down no walking

3013
01:49:53,910 --> 01:49:52,320
motion just glides fast

3014
01:49:55,750 --> 01:49:53,920
scared me out of my wits made my heart

3015
01:49:57,350 --> 01:49:55,760
skip a beat i physically jumped out of

3016
01:49:58,950 --> 01:49:57,360
my skin

3017
01:50:01,109 --> 01:49:58,960
now i didn't tell my son about this

3018
01:50:03,350 --> 01:50:01,119
because he stayed out that night

3019
01:50:05,830 --> 01:50:03,360
the next day he comes back

3020
01:50:08,390 --> 01:50:05,840
i'm upstairs and he runs up the stairs

3021
01:50:10,470 --> 01:50:08,400
going dad dad i just was doing my hair

3022
01:50:13,669 --> 01:50:10,480
in the living room and this shadow

3023
01:50:15,589 --> 01:50:13,679
figure just ran across the room

3024
01:50:17,750 --> 01:50:15,599
so again he's just seen what i'd seen

3025
01:50:20,229 --> 01:50:17,760
and i hadn't spoken with him about it

3026
01:50:22,149 --> 01:50:20,239
after that he had para um poltergeist

3027
01:50:24,310 --> 01:50:22,159
stuff happen in this very room was his

3028
01:50:26,229 --> 01:50:24,320
bedroom and this door handle he says

3029
01:50:28,149 --> 01:50:26,239
when he was here with a friend

3030
01:50:30,390 --> 01:50:28,159
started shaking up and down and the door

3031
01:50:32,470 --> 01:50:30,400
came open and they both left the house

3032
01:50:33,510 --> 01:50:32,480
they were so scared

3033
01:50:35,990 --> 01:50:33,520
so

3034
01:50:37,910 --> 01:50:36,000
i had two more things after that um a

3035
01:50:38,950 --> 01:50:37,920
silver sphere in the sky in broad

3036
01:50:40,950 --> 01:50:38,960
daylight

3037
01:50:43,109 --> 01:50:40,960
i managed to film a little bit of it on

3038
01:50:45,270 --> 01:50:43,119
camera three video clips

3039
01:50:47,430 --> 01:50:45,280
um i was at work and at the time i

3040
01:50:49,109 --> 01:50:47,440
worked in a job where the kind of people

3041
01:50:51,350 --> 01:50:49,119
i was around you really don't want to be

3042
01:50:54,070 --> 01:50:51,360
saying or look at this ufo in the sky

3043
01:50:55,350 --> 01:50:54,080
so i just did nothing and filmed it and

3044
01:50:57,990 --> 01:50:55,360
it was a

3045
01:51:00,070 --> 01:50:58,000
a dark metallic sphere it wasn't it was

3046
01:51:01,750 --> 01:51:00,080
literally a sphere the thing just

3047
01:51:05,030 --> 01:51:01,760
approached my position

3048
01:51:07,350 --> 01:51:05,040
so i noticed it at a quite a long far

3049
01:51:09,910 --> 01:51:07,360
distance so i got the

3050
01:51:11,589 --> 01:51:09,920
the phone out and started filming it

3051
01:51:13,510 --> 01:51:11,599
came up and stopped and it just kept

3052
01:51:15,589 --> 01:51:13,520
moving left and stopping it was quite a

3053
01:51:17,270 --> 01:51:15,599
windy day wasn't affected by that there

3054
01:51:20,390 --> 01:51:17,280
was no noise from it

3055
01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:20,400
eventually it took about 13 minutes to

3056
01:51:25,830 --> 01:51:23,280
move out of sight over the tree line

3057
01:51:28,550 --> 01:51:25,840
and the final thing so i wanted to

3058
01:51:31,109 --> 01:51:28,560
wrapping it all up the final thing i was

3059
01:51:33,350 --> 01:51:31,119
driving late at night by myself

3060
01:51:35,830 --> 01:51:33,360
very isolated road

3061
01:51:38,149 --> 01:51:35,840
the a47 their piece were hit

3062
01:51:39,910 --> 01:51:38,159
um and i noticed to my right what i

3063
01:51:40,870 --> 01:51:39,920
thought was a plane crashing because

3064
01:51:43,350 --> 01:51:40,880
there were

3065
01:51:45,350 --> 01:51:43,360
some orange lights just came down real

3066
01:51:47,189 --> 01:51:45,360
real fast

3067
01:51:48,870 --> 01:51:47,199
and then kind of glided up and started

3068
01:51:51,030 --> 01:51:48,880
heading my way

3069
01:51:54,149 --> 01:51:51,040
and so i'm double taking thinking is

3070
01:51:55,510 --> 01:51:54,159
that looking for flashy airplane lights

3071
01:51:57,430 --> 01:51:55,520
or something

3072
01:51:59,270 --> 01:51:57,440
as it approached i realized that it's

3073
01:52:02,550 --> 01:51:59,280
coming to intercept perfectly my

3074
01:52:03,910 --> 01:52:02,560
position i had nowhere to pull over

3075
01:52:06,470 --> 01:52:03,920
and eventually i realized there were

3076
01:52:09,030 --> 01:52:06,480
just three balls of orange amber light

3077
01:52:11,189 --> 01:52:09,040
that was side by side horizontally

3078
01:52:13,589 --> 01:52:11,199
and they passed so close to me that if

3079
01:52:15,510 --> 01:52:13,599
i'd have stood on my roof of the vehicle

3080
01:52:17,030 --> 01:52:15,520
i could have touched them they were just

3081
01:52:18,149 --> 01:52:17,040
three balls of

3082
01:52:20,149 --> 01:52:18,159
typically

3083
01:52:21,910 --> 01:52:20,159
uh beach ball sized

3084
01:52:24,550 --> 01:52:21,920
orange lights

3085
01:52:26,470 --> 01:52:24,560
they passed over i saw them go over the

3086
01:52:28,550 --> 01:52:26,480
hedging

3087
01:52:30,470 --> 01:52:28,560
that was in 2018 so the whole thing that

3088
01:52:32,149 --> 01:52:30,480
we went through lasted about three and a

3089
01:52:34,790 --> 01:52:32,159
half years

3090
01:52:36,550 --> 01:52:34,800
um and of course

3091
01:52:37,750 --> 01:52:36,560
it's taken me years of trying to come to

3092
01:52:39,350 --> 01:52:37,760
terms with it

3093
01:52:40,550 --> 01:52:39,360
i've never done meditation i've always

3094
01:52:41,510 --> 01:52:40,560
wanted to

3095
01:52:44,070 --> 01:52:41,520
um

3096
01:52:46,070 --> 01:52:44,080
i've never like say i've never looked

3097
01:52:47,990 --> 01:52:46,080
for any experience like this

3098
01:52:49,589 --> 01:52:48,000
but it's left me with of course more

3099
01:52:51,350 --> 01:52:49,599
questions and answers

3100
01:52:54,470 --> 01:52:51,360
frustrating as anything that i've ever

3101
01:52:55,990 --> 01:52:54,480
experienced before i want to know more

3102
01:52:58,470 --> 01:52:56,000
i've come to terms with the fact that i

3103
01:52:59,750 --> 01:52:58,480
probably will never know anything

3104
01:53:01,109 --> 01:52:59,760
but um

3105
01:53:03,669 --> 01:53:01,119
yeah it's just good to be able to share

3106
01:53:06,149 --> 01:53:03,679
that thanks dj thank you thank you uh

3107
01:53:08,709 --> 01:53:06,159
thank you for sharing it's an honor to

3108
01:53:10,149 --> 01:53:08,719
have you here oh yeah deb he's already

3109
01:53:12,470 --> 01:53:10,159
going to be on the experiencer panel

3110
01:53:14,310 --> 01:53:12,480
we've already worked that out uh we're

3111
01:53:15,589 --> 01:53:14,320
thinking we're gonna have i think linda

3112
01:53:17,270 --> 01:53:15,599
thompson from

3113
01:53:19,589 --> 01:53:17,280
twitter we're gonna have so we've got a

3114
01:53:22,149 --> 01:53:19,599
couple people david john lanier but yeah

3115
01:53:25,030 --> 01:53:22,159
uh so but it's a target of opportunity

3116
01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:25,040
that uh my error led to max being on and

3117
01:53:28,950 --> 01:53:26,880
you guys because nathan's heard the

3118
01:53:32,070 --> 01:53:28,960
story third person

3119
01:53:35,030 --> 01:53:32,080
um but james hasn't so uh

3120
01:53:37,510 --> 01:53:35,040
would you like to comment james

3121
01:53:38,470 --> 01:53:37,520
yeah i mean i i think you

3122
01:53:41,350 --> 01:53:38,480
um

3123
01:53:44,229 --> 01:53:41,360
have kind of the right idea about it is

3124
01:53:48,070 --> 01:53:46,310
you want to know the truth but you you

3125
01:53:50,070 --> 01:53:48,080
have an idea or

3126
01:53:51,669 --> 01:53:50,080
come to grips with that you know you you

3127
01:53:53,910 --> 01:53:51,679
might not get all the answers i think

3128
01:53:55,750 --> 01:53:53,920
that's a healthy

3129
01:53:58,550 --> 01:53:55,760
place to be

3130
01:54:01,350 --> 01:53:58,560
you know as far as meditation and stuff

3131
01:54:05,589 --> 01:54:02,310
that's something you're gonna have to

3132
01:54:07,430 --> 01:54:05,599
experiment with right is it gonna

3133
01:54:09,430 --> 01:54:07,440
make more of these experiences happen

3134
01:54:11,750 --> 01:54:09,440
positive or negative

3135
01:54:14,310 --> 01:54:11,760
um you know the the only way you're

3136
01:54:15,669 --> 01:54:14,320
gonna know is to to actually do it and

3137
01:54:16,709 --> 01:54:15,679
find out

3138
01:54:18,390 --> 01:54:16,719
um

3139
01:54:19,669 --> 01:54:18,400
you know personally

3140
01:54:21,589 --> 01:54:19,679
you know i'm

3141
01:54:23,510 --> 01:54:21,599
in a similar situation where it was

3142
01:54:24,390 --> 01:54:23,520
baptism by fire

3143
01:54:27,030 --> 01:54:24,400
um

3144
01:54:27,990 --> 01:54:27,040
but my nature is just to go directly at

3145
01:54:31,109 --> 01:54:28,000
it

3146
01:54:34,390 --> 01:54:31,119
i i i don't know if that's advisable

3147
01:54:36,790 --> 01:54:34,400
but you know engaging the phenomenon

3148
01:54:38,310 --> 01:54:36,800
is kind of my thing so i i i'm just

3149
01:54:39,589 --> 01:54:38,320
going straight forward

3150
01:54:41,510 --> 01:54:39,599
um

3151
01:54:44,149 --> 01:54:41,520
it sounds kind of like you probably have

3152
01:54:45,669 --> 01:54:44,159
a similar attitude where you you want

3153
01:54:48,149 --> 01:54:45,679
answers because you know things like

3154
01:54:49,350 --> 01:54:48,159
that are going to happen to you and

3155
01:54:50,390 --> 01:54:49,360
uh

3156
01:54:51,510 --> 01:54:50,400
most people

3157
01:54:52,950 --> 01:54:51,520
i don't know i don't think that's

3158
01:54:54,870 --> 01:54:52,960
something you can just put behind you

3159
01:54:58,390 --> 01:54:54,880
and move on with life maybe maybe some

3160
01:55:00,629 --> 01:54:58,400
people can maybe that's wiser but um

3161
01:55:02,709 --> 01:55:00,639
you know i can understand seriously just

3162
01:55:05,030 --> 01:55:02,719
wanting to

3163
01:55:06,870 --> 01:55:05,040
pursue it i mean that's what i've done

3164
01:55:12,070 --> 01:55:06,880
um

3165
01:55:13,270 --> 01:55:12,080
like the same phenomena or did did you

3166
01:55:14,950 --> 01:55:13,280
have

3167
01:55:16,629 --> 01:55:14,960
um

3168
01:55:18,629 --> 01:55:16,639
like what was your instinct that it was

3169
01:55:20,550 --> 01:55:18,639
the same or possibly different

3170
01:55:22,390 --> 01:55:20,560
phenomenon like the first experience

3171
01:55:24,310 --> 01:55:22,400
when i opened the door for

3172
01:55:26,790 --> 01:55:24,320
everything else that followed

3173
01:55:28,790 --> 01:55:26,800
exactly that that was my question is

3174
01:55:29,750 --> 01:55:28,800
that

3175
01:55:36,709 --> 01:55:29,760
i

3176
01:55:39,270 --> 01:55:36,719
had

3177
01:55:41,030 --> 01:55:39,280
by the way i forgot to mention

3178
01:55:42,229 --> 01:55:41,040
um it wasn't just our neighbor's

3179
01:55:46,390 --> 01:55:42,239
daughter

3180
01:55:48,229 --> 01:55:46,400
son and my girlfriend and me

3181
01:55:50,709 --> 01:55:48,239
it was also a

3182
01:55:53,350 --> 01:55:50,719
gentleman that lives local to here he'd

3183
01:55:55,990 --> 01:55:53,360
posted into a group chat he'd taken

3184
01:55:58,310 --> 01:55:56,000
photographs of these spheres of white

3185
01:56:00,709 --> 01:55:58,320
light just a few meters away from our

3186
01:56:03,189 --> 01:56:00,719
house in 2018

3187
01:56:05,990 --> 01:56:03,199
and he'd posted pictures of them with a

3188
01:56:07,910 --> 01:56:06,000
blurb where it said

3189
01:56:10,310 --> 01:56:07,920
he was walking his dog at 20 past

3190
01:56:12,830 --> 01:56:10,320
midnight and he'd seen these three balls

3191
01:56:15,910 --> 01:56:12,840
of light making dancing around making

3192
01:56:17,910 --> 01:56:15,920
formations a third one joined in sorry

3193
01:56:20,310 --> 01:56:17,920
yeah two balls of black third one joined

3194
01:56:22,149 --> 01:56:20,320
in and then they shot straight up

3195
01:56:24,070 --> 01:56:22,159
incredibly fast

3196
01:56:26,149 --> 01:56:24,080
his question was has anybody got a

3197
01:56:28,070 --> 01:56:26,159
reasonable explanation as to what these

3198
01:56:31,109 --> 01:56:28,080
things are well there's no reasonable

3199
01:56:33,109 --> 01:56:31,119
explanation yeah um and then thirdly i

3200
01:56:36,310 --> 01:56:33,119
was lucky enough to have mufon's

3201
01:56:38,870 --> 01:56:36,320
director in the uk call me jack turnbull

3202
01:56:41,189 --> 01:56:38,880
he told me about a few things which

3203
01:56:44,310 --> 01:56:41,199
struck a chord and it turns out that a

3204
01:56:46,229 --> 01:56:44,320
another gentleman that was driving up

3205
01:56:48,629 --> 01:56:46,239
the road here on this very same road

3206
01:56:51,430 --> 01:56:48,639
that we live in 2018 again

3207
01:56:53,350 --> 01:56:51,440
had filmed on his dash cam footage of

3208
01:56:54,470 --> 01:56:53,360
two spheres of white light passing from

3209
01:56:56,709 --> 01:56:54,480
this side

3210
01:56:58,709 --> 01:56:56,719
over to the other side of the road so it

3211
01:56:59,830 --> 01:56:58,719
seemed that it was a transient thing

3212
01:57:00,950 --> 01:56:59,840
that happened

3213
01:57:03,189 --> 01:57:00,960
um

3214
01:57:04,709 --> 01:57:03,199
in this area for a couple of years for

3215
01:57:06,629 --> 01:57:04,719
whatever reason

3216
01:57:08,390 --> 01:57:06,639
um but to answer your question

3217
01:57:12,229 --> 01:57:08,400
specifically

3218
01:57:14,870 --> 01:57:12,239
at the time that's what made me really

3219
01:57:17,510 --> 01:57:14,880
that's what really made me almost insane

3220
01:57:19,589 --> 01:57:17,520
is i thought hold on i just had this ufo

3221
01:57:22,310 --> 01:57:19,599
experience whatever that is

3222
01:57:25,910 --> 01:57:22,320
now i'm seeing ghosts what like what the

3223
01:57:28,870 --> 01:57:25,920
hell's going on at the time my gut

3224
01:57:29,910 --> 01:57:28,880
instinct was just a knee-jerk reaction

3225
01:57:32,950 --> 01:57:29,920
of

3226
01:57:35,109 --> 01:57:32,960
this is paranormal i'm seeing

3227
01:57:36,149 --> 01:57:35,119
i've never seen something that was crazy

3228
01:57:38,790 --> 01:57:36,159
man

3229
01:57:40,390 --> 01:57:38,800
um

3230
01:57:42,310 --> 01:57:40,400
i don't know what to make of it james

3231
01:57:45,430 --> 01:57:42,320
and that that's the thing why are so

3232
01:57:47,830 --> 01:57:45,440
many people having a ufo experience and

3233
01:57:49,990 --> 01:57:47,840
then you know shadow figures polar guys

3234
01:57:51,430 --> 01:57:50,000
what we call paranormal you say you had

3235
01:57:52,629 --> 01:57:51,440
it the other way around and that's

3236
01:57:55,030 --> 01:57:52,639
fascinating

3237
01:57:56,550 --> 01:57:55,040
so it were you meditating

3238
01:57:58,470 --> 01:57:56,560
back then

3239
01:58:00,629 --> 01:57:58,480
no i mean that's this for me it started

3240
01:58:02,950 --> 01:58:00,639
when i was

3241
01:58:05,750 --> 01:58:02,960
really young so i didn't there's no

3242
01:58:07,109 --> 01:58:05,760
concept of meditation

3243
01:58:10,550 --> 01:58:07,119
and again those

3244
01:58:12,390 --> 01:58:10,560
the original entities that i saw i i i

3245
01:58:14,390 --> 01:58:12,400
don't know to this day if they were

3246
01:58:15,350 --> 01:58:14,400
associated with the ufo phenomenon or

3247
01:58:16,229 --> 01:58:15,360
not

3248
01:58:18,629 --> 01:58:16,239
um

3249
01:58:20,310 --> 01:58:18,639
i could speculate that they they were

3250
01:58:22,310 --> 01:58:20,320
but

3251
01:58:23,830 --> 01:58:22,320
i i really don't know there was a

3252
01:58:25,030 --> 01:58:23,840
telepathic thing

3253
01:58:27,350 --> 01:58:25,040
for certain

3254
01:58:30,229 --> 01:58:27,360
um and again that's what we were talking

3255
01:58:31,510 --> 01:58:30,239
about before is that a technological

3256
01:58:34,550 --> 01:58:31,520
um

3257
01:58:36,550 --> 01:58:34,560
or kind of metaphysical technology i

3258
01:58:38,709 --> 01:58:36,560
i don't know and you know i'm in the

3259
01:58:40,390 --> 01:58:38,719
same boat as you where you know i i

3260
01:58:42,390 --> 01:58:40,400
don't have all these these answers i

3261
01:58:45,030 --> 01:58:42,400
wish i did and that's kind of partially

3262
01:58:47,830 --> 01:58:45,040
what keeps me going is you know

3263
01:58:49,350 --> 01:58:47,840
maybe i'll gain some insight

3264
01:58:51,430 --> 01:58:49,360
into

3265
01:58:53,430 --> 01:58:51,440
you know not only what this is but why

3266
01:58:54,550 --> 01:58:53,440
did this happen to me

3267
01:58:56,629 --> 01:58:54,560
um

3268
01:58:58,709 --> 01:58:56,639
and is there something that

3269
01:59:00,550 --> 01:58:58,719
in light of these experiences i can

3270
01:59:01,910 --> 01:59:00,560
contribute to

3271
01:59:04,310 --> 01:59:01,920
you know the bigger picture of what's

3272
01:59:06,310 --> 01:59:04,320
going on or other people having these

3273
01:59:08,149 --> 01:59:06,320
experiences or

3274
01:59:10,870 --> 01:59:08,159
or people who

3275
01:59:12,629 --> 01:59:10,880
are just curious about it or or is there

3276
01:59:14,550 --> 01:59:12,639
something a bigger role that i don't

3277
01:59:17,270 --> 01:59:14,560
even understand yet

3278
01:59:19,030 --> 01:59:17,280
exactly there's a lot uh to unpack here

3279
01:59:21,189 --> 01:59:19,040
but one thing i want to ask max are you

3280
01:59:23,430 --> 01:59:21,199
in peterborough near like 50 miles from

3281
01:59:25,990 --> 01:59:23,440
burnington edmonds

3282
01:59:28,229 --> 01:59:26,000
yeah that sounds good right yeah cool

3283
01:59:31,350 --> 01:59:28,239
all right so when i come to mildenhall

3284
01:59:33,510 --> 01:59:31,360
i'm gonna call you uh in june so i gotta

3285
01:59:34,709 --> 01:59:33,520
spend like a week at mildon hall so

3286
01:59:36,950 --> 01:59:34,719
definitely want to meet up with some of

3287
01:59:38,870 --> 01:59:36,960
my friends from ufo twitter during that

3288
01:59:40,950 --> 01:59:38,880
yeah sure i'd love to do that

3289
01:59:42,709 --> 01:59:40,960
uh let's go around let's go around the

3290
01:59:44,229 --> 01:59:42,719
horn nathan do you have any

3291
01:59:46,470 --> 01:59:44,239
final comments because we're gonna have

3292
01:59:48,709 --> 01:59:46,480
max back on for the experiencer

3293
01:59:50,229 --> 01:59:48,719
roundtable actually james is doing

3294
01:59:53,030 --> 01:59:50,239
contact week

3295
01:59:54,550 --> 01:59:53,040
coming up like really soon so i

3296
01:59:55,830 --> 01:59:54,560
nathan and i will have to see if we can

3297
01:59:57,589 --> 01:59:55,840
put it together

3298
02:00:00,950 --> 01:59:57,599
in a short period of time so he and i

3299
02:00:02,550 --> 02:00:00,960
will and akashi chris will will powwow

3300
02:00:03,510 --> 02:00:02,560
uh and see if we can put something

3301
02:00:05,189 --> 02:00:03,520
together

3302
02:00:08,390 --> 02:00:05,199
uh but do you have anything that you

3303
02:00:10,070 --> 02:00:08,400
wanna as we go around the room nathan

3304
02:00:11,669 --> 02:00:10,080
yeah i just wanted to say thank you to

3305
02:00:13,830 --> 02:00:11,679
james for

3306
02:00:15,350 --> 02:00:13,840
one coming on our show but two

3307
02:00:18,390 --> 02:00:15,360
james i think you're one of the hardest

3308
02:00:19,270 --> 02:00:18,400
working guys in in ufo twitter

3309
02:00:21,830 --> 02:00:19,280
and

3310
02:00:23,589 --> 02:00:21,840
i'm i'm continually impressed by all

3311
02:00:24,790 --> 02:00:23,599
that you do and the content that you put

3312
02:00:26,709 --> 02:00:24,800
out

3313
02:00:29,270 --> 02:00:26,719
i know how much it takes to do this kind

3314
02:00:31,669 --> 02:00:29,280
of thing and you're doing two shows

3315
02:00:33,589 --> 02:00:31,679
and you have a cd5 uh facebook group

3316
02:00:36,470 --> 02:00:33,599
that i know you've been very active with

3317
02:00:38,550 --> 02:00:36,480
and and it takes a lot and um

3318
02:00:41,669 --> 02:00:38,560
i wanted just you to know that it means

3319
02:00:44,070 --> 02:00:41,679
a lot to me uh what you do

3320
02:00:45,750 --> 02:00:44,080
and i personally like i probably

3321
02:00:47,510 --> 02:00:45,760
wouldn't be doing this if i didn't have

3322
02:00:50,070 --> 02:00:47,520
uh kind of the encouragement that you've

3323
02:00:52,870 --> 02:00:50,080
offered uh as well as the the kind of

3324
02:00:55,189 --> 02:00:52,880
the path that you've you've laid out for

3325
02:00:57,270 --> 02:00:55,199
folks like me and dj to kind of do this

3326
02:00:59,510 --> 02:00:57,280
type of thing so i just i really wanted

3327
02:01:01,270 --> 02:00:59,520
to say thank you more than anything and

3328
02:01:01,990 --> 02:01:01,280
wanted to encourage you to continue to

3329
02:01:06,790 --> 02:01:02,000
do

3330
02:01:08,629 --> 02:01:06,800
but also and i know you probably hear

3331
02:01:10,149 --> 02:01:08,639
this from all kinds of people you know

3332
02:01:12,709 --> 02:01:10,159
make sure you take care of yourself at

3333
02:01:14,550 --> 02:01:12,719
the same time you know yeah so you got

3334
02:01:16,229 --> 02:01:14,560
to have those rest days man

3335
02:01:17,270 --> 02:01:16,239
yeah i couldn't have said that any

3336
02:01:19,350 --> 02:01:17,280
better

3337
02:01:20,790 --> 02:01:19,360
i i appreciate that and i'm honored by

3338
02:01:24,390 --> 02:01:20,800
that and um

3339
02:01:25,990 --> 02:01:24,400
you know i think that it's just

3340
02:01:28,950 --> 02:01:26,000
you know i i partially feel a

3341
02:01:30,229 --> 02:01:28,960
responsibility and and kind of

3342
02:01:31,990 --> 02:01:30,239
again maybe it's just something i'm

3343
02:01:34,229 --> 02:01:32,000
telling myself but this is

3344
02:01:36,709 --> 02:01:34,239
uh you know my participation is my way

3345
02:01:37,750 --> 02:01:36,719
of paying it forward yeah and you know i

3346
02:01:38,950 --> 02:01:37,760
think it's

3347
02:01:39,990 --> 02:01:38,960
you know if

3348
02:01:43,830 --> 02:01:40,000
you know

3349
02:01:45,350 --> 02:01:43,840
partially my dharma if i can use that

3350
02:01:46,470 --> 02:01:45,360
terminology

3351
02:01:50,149 --> 02:01:46,480
um

3352
02:01:52,870 --> 02:01:50,159
i think it's it's important and you know

3353
02:01:55,510 --> 02:01:52,880
if if there's you know

3354
02:01:57,750 --> 02:01:55,520
anything i can do to participate in the

3355
02:02:00,950 --> 02:01:57,760
in the greater picture of something that

3356
02:02:03,430 --> 02:02:00,960
i had experience with i you know i'm i'm

3357
02:02:05,350 --> 02:02:03,440
happy to do it you know i feel obligated

3358
02:02:07,510 --> 02:02:05,360
in a sense to

3359
02:02:09,589 --> 02:02:07,520
you know and i i i hope i can help

3360
02:02:10,470 --> 02:02:09,599
that's that's all

3361
02:02:13,589 --> 02:02:10,480
you are

3362
02:02:16,070 --> 02:02:13,599
definitely absolutely yeah i'm sure

3363
02:02:17,589 --> 02:02:16,080
i mean you guys are already

3364
02:02:18,950 --> 02:02:17,599
doing great things

3365
02:02:20,390 --> 02:02:18,960
so i mean

3366
02:02:23,030 --> 02:02:20,400
just i mean

3367
02:02:25,910 --> 02:02:23,040
i i i probably came onto the scene more

3368
02:02:27,669 --> 02:02:25,920
publicly just a tiny bit before you

3369
02:02:29,430 --> 02:02:27,679
but there's going to be the same effect

3370
02:02:30,790 --> 02:02:29,440
where you're paving the road for others

3371
02:02:33,669 --> 02:02:30,800
as well

3372
02:02:36,790 --> 02:02:33,679
yeah we just like to create uh a safe

3373
02:02:39,270 --> 02:02:36,800
space and open space and like we just i

3374
02:02:39,990 --> 02:02:39,280
think we just saw max do that and that

3375
02:02:43,990 --> 02:02:40,000
if

3376
02:02:47,030 --> 02:02:44,000
then mission accomplished and when you

3377
02:02:49,270 --> 02:02:47,040
come on our show we want you to feel

3378
02:02:51,669 --> 02:02:49,280
like you're the most important person in

3379
02:02:53,830 --> 02:02:51,679
the room and that

3380
02:02:55,669 --> 02:02:53,840
how much we value you being here i think

3381
02:02:58,070 --> 02:02:55,679
nathan just stated it even better than i

3382
02:03:00,950 --> 02:02:58,080
can but but yeah that's basically you

3383
02:03:02,709 --> 02:03:00,960
got it mission accomplished um and i'm

3384
02:03:04,629 --> 02:03:02,719
super excited because

3385
02:03:07,430 --> 02:03:04,639
next month i'm gonna see nathan in north

3386
02:03:10,790 --> 02:03:07,440
carolina january i'm going home to new

3387
02:03:12,550 --> 02:03:10,800
york i'm gonna see james uh either for

3388
02:03:14,470 --> 02:03:12,560
something at the diner which is probably

3389
02:03:17,510 --> 02:03:14,480
for him it's going to be like bacon egg

3390
02:03:21,109 --> 02:03:17,520
whites uh maybe not even toast

3391
02:03:24,310 --> 02:03:21,119
and then or maybe yoga practice down at

3392
02:03:26,550 --> 02:03:24,320
prana yoga prana moon in peak skill

3393
02:03:28,390 --> 02:03:26,560
and then in june

3394
02:03:31,350 --> 02:03:28,400
i get to go back to my

3395
02:03:34,310 --> 02:03:31,360
favorite place on earth other than here

3396
02:03:36,629 --> 02:03:34,320
united kingdom go to rf milden hall and

3397
02:03:39,510 --> 02:03:36,639
then uh and then maybe i'll see my homie

3398
02:03:44,070 --> 02:03:39,520
uh max so uh for a chimpy and a beer who

3399
02:03:47,669 --> 02:03:45,990
all right man

3400
02:03:49,589 --> 02:03:47,679
what's up brother we're gonna have a

3401
02:03:51,030 --> 02:03:49,599
workout together you're working let's do

3402
02:03:53,350 --> 02:03:51,040
it man

3403
02:03:55,510 --> 02:03:53,360
yeah man i'll tell you what man this

3404
02:03:57,910 --> 02:03:55,520
dude is fit man we'll go get some all

3405
02:03:59,589 --> 02:03:57,920
right let's bring akashi chris on if if

3406
02:04:02,149 --> 02:03:59,599
we can so we can say goodbye to the

3407
02:04:05,189 --> 02:04:02,159
whole hey there's associate producer

3408
02:04:06,550 --> 02:04:05,199
akashi chris

3409
02:04:07,500 --> 02:04:06,560
everyone do a little bit of count

3410
02:04:09,189 --> 02:04:07,510
dracula

3411
02:04:11,030 --> 02:04:09,199
[Applause]

3412
02:04:14,149 --> 02:04:11,040
thank you yeah

3413
02:04:17,270 --> 02:04:14,159
i loved your story max thank you so much

3414
02:04:19,109 --> 02:04:17,280
it's it's amazing and i i it's awesome

3415
02:04:21,589 --> 02:04:19,119
nathan did i do a good description of it

3416
02:04:23,350 --> 02:04:21,599
at least oh yeah no i actually well i i

3417
02:04:24,790 --> 02:04:23,360
had even heard his story on spaces

3418
02:04:27,030 --> 02:04:24,800
before i didn't know that i'd heard it

3419
02:04:28,470 --> 02:04:27,040
before but i it's like i heard it for

3420
02:04:29,990 --> 02:04:28,480
the first time it's just very powerful

3421
02:04:32,310 --> 02:04:30,000
and max i really appreciate you sharing

3422
02:04:34,310 --> 02:04:32,320
that with us thank you just like james

3423
02:04:36,229 --> 02:04:34,320
said like the work that you guys are

3424
02:04:38,629 --> 02:04:36,239
doing is important because

3425
02:04:40,550 --> 02:04:38,639
what i realized is it helps people that

3426
02:04:42,390 --> 02:04:40,560
are going through the same to realize

3427
02:04:44,149 --> 02:04:42,400
that they're not alone because we always

3428
02:04:46,870 --> 02:04:44,159
feel like we're alone when we go through

3429
02:04:49,350 --> 02:04:46,880
things like this traumatizing things

3430
02:04:51,430 --> 02:04:49,360
can be traumatizing it can be beautiful

3431
02:04:53,510 --> 02:04:51,440
recognize that yeah but

3432
02:04:56,069 --> 02:04:53,520
we as human beings tend to feel like

3433
02:04:58,069 --> 02:04:56,079
we're all alone and we're not and so

3434
02:04:58,870 --> 02:04:58,079
it's important to be able to share these

3435
02:05:00,550 --> 02:04:58,880
things

3436
02:05:02,550 --> 02:05:00,560
and i

3437
02:05:04,550 --> 02:05:02,560
i just want to help other people as well

3438
02:05:07,109 --> 02:05:04,560
yeah so we will we want to make sure

3439
02:05:09,350 --> 02:05:07,119
that nobody everybody has a safe space

3440
02:05:11,109 --> 02:05:09,360
to tell their story and nobody has to

3441
02:05:12,709 --> 02:05:11,119
prove [\h__\h] to nobody that's that's the

3442
02:05:15,830 --> 02:05:12,719
bottom line you don't have to prove a

3443
02:05:18,149 --> 02:05:15,840
damn thing to anybody on this planet so

3444
02:05:20,069 --> 02:05:18,159
all right man thank you all for being on

3445
02:05:22,470 --> 02:05:20,079
uh calling all beings uh if you're on

3446
02:05:27,589 --> 02:05:22,480
the youtube like subscribe i think we

3447
02:05:31,109 --> 02:05:27,599
got to 5 25 today we're uh 25 uh 225 226

3448
02:05:33,109 --> 02:05:31,119
is really 525 tomorrow yeah 226 is more

3449
02:05:34,790 --> 02:05:33,119
than we were really it's kind of it's

3450
02:05:36,629 --> 02:05:34,800
kind of excess you know it's like too

3451
02:05:38,310 --> 02:05:36,639
much cheese on a pizza there you go

3452
02:05:40,310 --> 02:05:38,320
whatever uh

3453
02:05:42,709 --> 02:05:40,320
thank you so much for joining us it's an

3454
02:05:46,470 --> 02:05:42,719
honor so for akashi chris for nathan for

3455
02:05:50,310 --> 02:05:46,480
max mckay from the uk and for james i

3456
02:05:53,189 --> 02:05:50,320
and doley engage in the phenomenon

3457
02:05:55,669 --> 02:05:53,199
put your hands together and thank you

3458
02:05:57,270 --> 02:05:55,679
thank you everybody uh peace out one

3459
02:05:59,510 --> 02:05:57,280
love and as i always say we'll see you

3460
02:06:01,750 --> 02:05:59,520
down the road we always wonder what's up

3461
02:06:03,520 --> 02:06:01,760
around the bend that's right peace y'all